TheBrickWahl: 12/01/08 00:07 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/01/08 00:36 >< NICK : tommost_repose tommost_repose: 12/01/08 08:31 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." andy7534212: 12/01/08 08:52 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/01/08 10:20 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/01/08 10:22 >< QUIT : Client Quit andy753421: 12/01/08 10:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/01/08 10:33 do we have plans for another installfest any time soon? #rhrt: 12/01/08 10:33 apparently the OS people want us to have one again #rhrt: 12/01/08 10:35 herm, wrong channel #rhrt: 12/01/08 10:35 andy: #rhlug ->> ? #rhrt: 12/01/08 10:35 whoops andy753421: 12/01/08 10:37 >< QUIT : Client Quit andy753421: 12/01/08 11:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt ZetaSyanthis: 12/01/08 11:51 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ZetaSyanthis: 12/01/08 11:52 >< JOIN : #rhrt ZetaSyanthis: 12/01/08 11:55 >< QUIT : Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) ZetaSyanthis: 12/01/08 11:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/01/08 12:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/01/08 12:40 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/01/08 13:10 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/01/08 13:24 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/01/08 13:46 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) andy753421: 12/01/08 14:11 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/01/08 14:16 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/01/08 14:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/01/08 14:38 auchter: we need encoders for the new bot. what do you think about this one: http://www.encoder.com/literature/datasheet-260.pdf #rhrt: 12/01/08 14:42 look fine to me collinjc: 12/01/08 14:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/01/08 15:04 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc: 12/01/08 15:14 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/01/08 15:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt: 12/01/08 15:44 >< QUIT : "Lost terminal" kleinjt: 12/01/08 15:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/01/08 15:59 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/01/08 16:16 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection jboticsource: 12/01/08 18:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/01/08 18:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/01/08 19:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/01/08 19:55 intresting TheBrickWahl: 12/01/08 20:25 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource1: 12/01/08 22:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/01/08 22:25 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhrt: 12/01/08 23:12 Good news: I brought my Wiimote from home. collinjc: 12/01/08 23:26 >< PART #rhrt : jboticsource1: 12/02/08 00:39 >< PART #rhrt : andy753421: 12/02/08 00:57 >< QUIT : Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) andy753421: 12/02/08 00:57 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/02/08 01:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/02/08 01:51 >< QUIT : Client Quit collinjc: 12/02/08 06:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/02/08 07:30 >< QUIT : "Leaving." kleinjt: 12/02/08 07:36 >< QUIT : "Lost terminal" kleinjt: 12/02/08 07:37 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/02/08 08:39 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." TheBrickWahl: 12/02/08 10:37 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc: 12/02/08 13:22 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/02/08 13:33 >< QUIT : Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) jboticsource: 12/02/08 14:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/02/08 14:15 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/02/08 14:31 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhrt: 12/02/08 15:14 robotics tonight? collinjc: 12/02/08 15:18 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/02/08 15:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/02/08 15:51 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/02/08 15:52 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/02/08 15:58 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/02/08 16:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/02/08 16:22 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/02/08 16:48 Should I put anything special in the meeting reminder? #rhrt: 12/02/08 16:52 um, we should plan out stuff to do next quarter #rhrt: 12/02/08 16:59 Okay, sent. TheBrickWahl: 12/02/08 17:02 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/02/08 19:12 andy753421: Could you bring your databases book to the meeting for me? #rhrt: 12/02/08 19:20 sure tommost: 12/02/08 19:20 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." andy753421: 12/02/08 19:23 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhrt: 12/02/08 19:24 it is getting to be about that time! collinjc: 12/02/08 19:48 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/02/08 20:32 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/02/08 20:41 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/02/08 20:49 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/02/08 21:20 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/02/08 21:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/02/08 22:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/02/08 22:01 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhrt: 12/02/08 22:02 We need to figure out a way for alumni to edit the trac wiki kleinjt_eeepc: 12/02/08 22:02 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt_eeepc1: 12/02/08 22:02 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/02/08 22:03 Perhaps we could open up one section of it to anonymous editing? #rhrt: 12/02/08 22:04 Or we could just give them accounts. #rhrt: 12/02/08 22:06 I don't want to have to give them accounts #rhrt: 12/02/08 22:06 is there a way to have them create their own accounts? #rhrt: 12/02/08 22:06 it would have to be just for the wiki though #rhrt: 12/02/08 22:14 Hmmm... not as it's currently set up. kleinjt_eeepc: 12/02/08 22:20 >< QUIT : "Leaving." kleinjt_eeepc1: 12/02/08 22:23 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection kleinjt: 12/02/08 22:52 >< QUIT : "Lost terminal" kleinjt: 12/02/08 22:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/03/08 01:09 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/03/08 02:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/03/08 07:02 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/03/08 07:35 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/03/08 08:02 >< QUIT : Nick collision from services. tommost1: 12/03/08 08:02 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost1: 12/03/08 08:03 >< NICK : tommost tommost: 12/03/08 08:50 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) tommost: 12/03/08 08:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/03/08 09:29 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jboticsource: 12/03/08 09:57 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/03/08 10:13 tommost: can u send an email to the mechanical team saying that there is a meeting dedicated to the new robot at 7pm please. #rhrt: 12/03/08 10:14 Okay. #rhrt: 12/03/08 10:14 thank you jboticsource: 12/03/08 10:37 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/03/08 10:42 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost: 12/03/08 10:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/03/08 11:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/03/08 11:29 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jboticsource: 12/03/08 11:35 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/03/08 12:13 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." kleinjt: 12/03/08 12:51 >< QUIT : "Lost terminal" TheBrickWahl: 12/03/08 13:20 >< QUIT : "Leaving." kleinjt: 12/03/08 13:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/03/08 14:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource1: 12/03/08 15:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/03/08 15:24 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) TheBrickWahl: 12/03/08 17:11 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/03/08 18:06 auchter: were there any molex connectors in storage? #rhrt: 12/03/08 18:17 kleinjt: i didn't have a chance to check collinjc: 12/03/08 18:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource1: 12/03/08 18:59 >< PART #rhrt : andy753421: 12/03/08 19:00 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/03/08 19:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/03/08 20:32 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/03/08 20:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/03/08 21:02 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc: 12/03/08 21:05 >< JOIN : #rhrt nathan: 12/03/08 21:10 >< JOIN : #rhrt nathan: 12/03/08 21:11 >< NICK : Guest44535 Guest44535: 12/03/08 21:14 >< PART #rhrt : andy753421: 12/03/08 21:15 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:16 auchter: how many amps does to computer draw? #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:18 the batteries are now repositioned for better handling on the legacy robot. The new robot design is basically finalized. Construction on the new robot will begin asap. Materials have been ordered! #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:22 andy753421: no idea, why? #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:25 if it's under ~1 amp then I have a AC->DC converter we can use for when we need to power it from the wall #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:26 it's definitely not under 1 am #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:26 p #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:26 alright, #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:26 it's likely more in the 7 to 15 range #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:26 also, did we charge the batteries the other day? #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:27 kleinjt plugged one of them in yesterday #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:27 i believe they are charged #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:32 ok, one of them says charged, I plugged the other in and it's charging #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:55 also, the computer does not seem to be liking the CF card #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:57 dma errors? #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:58 no idea, it doesn't even got to the bios #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:58 but it does if I unplug the IDE cable #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:58 oh, that kind of not liking. #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:58 the cable is plugged in correctly? #rhrt: 12/03/08 21:58 also, are the jumpers on the cf->ide adapter set properly? collinjc: 12/03/08 21:59 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhrt: 12/03/08 22:12 I think the IDE cable is ok #rhrt: 12/03/08 22:12 how are the jumpers supposed to be set? #rhrt: 12/03/08 22:12 i don't remember what they even are off the top of my head #rhrt: 12/03/08 22:12 though i doubt that they were messed with, which implies a deeper problem kleinjt_eeepc: 12/03/08 22:16 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt_eeepc1: 12/03/08 22:17 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/03/08 22:17 >< QUIT : "Leaving." kleinjt_eeepc1: 12/03/08 22:20 >< QUIT : Client Quit kleinjt_eeepc: 12/03/08 22:20 >< QUIT : Client Quit andy753421: 12/03/08 22:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/03/08 22:58 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhrt: 12/03/08 23:11 www.rose-hulman.edu/~kinziejh/robot.zip andy753421: 12/03/08 23:12 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/03/08 23:56 andy753421: How'd the meeting go? (I kinda fell asleep.) #rhrt: 12/03/08 23:56 alright, nathan left because he didn't have anything to do #rhrt: 12/03/08 23:56 we played with image transforms for a little while #rhrt: 12/03/08 23:57 I charged one of the batteries #rhrt: 12/03/08 23:57 and tried to get the computer to boot (but failed) andy753421: 12/03/08 23:59 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/04/08 00:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:14 ah, those jerks #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:14 HPV took down the plane #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:14 Awww. What did you want to do with it? #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:14 ... #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:14 HPV needs to get a real torque source #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:15 ... #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:15 ... #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:15 aesthetic value? #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:16 :) #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:16 what did they do with the plane? #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:16 unless the H in HPV stands for hamster, that would go for #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:16 i don't know, i looked down from the 2nd floor window and it wasn't there anymore #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:17 jboticsource: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:17 hm, it still technically belongs to SGA (likely) right? #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:17 or to the robotics team #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:18 if it belongs to the SGA, we should leave it in front of their office #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:18 More importantly, we need our whiteboard back. #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:19 auchter: it probably belongs to the robotics team, unless we forfeited it by leaving it in the lab #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:19 i thought HPV sounded like some sort of critter #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:19 i think it belongs to us, but we cant sell it #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:19 i would guess that it was a donation, and therefor belonged to the club #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:20 I thought we could sell it if we didn't buy it with SGA money? #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:20 What did *we* do with it, ever? #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:20 andy753421: correct #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:20 hung it from the wall? #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:20 it was art! #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:20 andy753421: i think you are right #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:20 i like art #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:21 the serial cable was pure genious #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:21 Mmm hmmm. #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:45 andy753421: I can't find the old team history page anywhere. #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:45 you mean from the old website? #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:46 Yeah. #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:46 where all did you look? #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:46 (though the old disk images?) #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:47 The www folder on the fsroot drive. #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:50 /home/rtadmin/fsroot/fsroot/www/rhitrobotics.org/www/old/templates/page_templates/team/club-history_0.tpl #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:51 Oooo.... craftly. #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:51 $ grep -R "silver tape" * #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:51 :) #rhrt: 12/04/08 00:52 :D jboticsource: 12/04/08 00:52 >< PART #rhrt : #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:12 https://www.rhitrobotics.org/wiki/history #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:12 It still needs some editing; the first paragraph is a bit incoherent. #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:14 looks good #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:16 auchter: Have you updated the tickets on Trac at all recently? They look out of date. #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:16 tommost: they are out of date. i'll take a look at them tomorrow #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:18 ;) #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:18 oh come on, that's just gratuitous #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:18 :D #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:19 We need to post a picture of the new robot as soon as we have semi-final motor controllers on it. #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:20 if (/^Subject: .*Trac.*/) to $MD/spam/ #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:23 if (/^From: Trac /) to $MD/spam/ #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:23 That's just saddening. #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:24 Did the IGVC ever get pack re. RTK/DGPS? #rhrt: 12/04/08 01:24 s/pack/back/ tommost: 12/04/08 01:35 >< QUIT : wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net tommost: 12/04/08 01:49 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/04/08 08:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/04/08 08:19 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) tommost: 12/04/08 08:42 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." jboticsource: 12/04/08 08:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/04/08 09:48 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc: 12/04/08 10:22 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/04/08 10:36 >< QUIT : Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) collinjc: 12/04/08 10:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/04/08 11:07 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection collinjc: 12/04/08 11:11 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/04/08 11:33 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/04/08 11:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/04/08 11:51 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsource: 12/04/08 12:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/04/08 12:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/04/08 12:33 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/04/08 12:43 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/04/08 12:43 >< PART #rhrt : andy753421: 12/04/08 12:49 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/04/08 12:49 apparently the rhitrobotics SSL certificate expired 72 years ago #rhrt: 12/04/08 12:51 how does something expire before the epoch? jboticsource: 12/04/08 13:04 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) collinjc: 12/04/08 13:27 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/04/08 13:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt_: 12/04/08 13:48 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt: 12/04/08 13:49 >< QUIT : "leaving" kleinjt_: 12/04/08 13:49 >< NICK : kleinjt kleinjt_: 12/04/08 13:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt: 12/04/08 13:50 >< QUIT : Nick collision from services. kleinjt_: 12/04/08 13:50 >< NICK : kleinjt kleinjt: 12/04/08 14:19 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection TheBrickWahl: 12/04/08 14:40 >< PART #rhrt : jboticsource: 12/04/08 15:00 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/04/08 15:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/04/08 15:05 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/04/08 15:15 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/04/08 15:46 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection jboticsource: 12/04/08 15:48 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/04/08 15:52 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/04/08 15:57 >< QUIT : Client Quit andy753421: 12/04/08 15:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/04/08 16:20 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/04/08 16:22 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/04/08 17:04 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." andy753421: 12/04/08 18:43 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/04/08 18:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt: 12/04/08 19:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt: 12/04/08 19:03 >< NICK : kleinjt_server tommost: 12/04/08 19:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:04 auchter: should the drill layer include vias? I'm guessing yes. #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:06 I comitted the gerber files if you want to look at them #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:09 kleinjt_server: yep, they look fine to me #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:10 ok, I'll email them out tonight #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:10 take a quick look at the schematic if you have a chance #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:10 make sure nothing looks completely off #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:11 have you gone over all the ERC warnings? #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:12 i hadn't, but looking over them none seem important #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:13 Is it likely that this board will actually get milled tomorrow?\ #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:13 tommost: it depends on how much gary has to do, why? #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:14 Just curious. #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:15 there is one spot with less than 12mils clearance, I'm going to reroute a few traces on the upper half of the board (unless you want to) #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:16 go ahead #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:25 rerouting it breaks the awesome plane setup, so I'm just reducing the width of the trace to 12 mils to allow for more clearance #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:25 unless you think trace width is more important than clearance, I'm not really sure #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:26 kleinjt_server: which trace is this? #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:27 though actually it probably won't matter #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:27 none of the small traces are carrying any significant power #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:29 net N$3, on the can header, second from the right #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:29 and when I resize it and check for airwires an airwire pops up, so I might just leave it.. #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:29 yeah, what i did to the routing in that area was shady #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:30 well, I'll just leave it then. it has 10 mils clearance, hopefully that is enough :D #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:33 so I guess the gerber files on svn stand, I'll set 'em out at 11 #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:38 I don't understand how R3 works on the lower right of the board #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:40 kleinjt_server: it's attached to the top plane #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:42 it doesn't look like it to me in gerbv. a few of those vias don't appear to connecting to anything useful #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:45 http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-12-05_01:46:56_1920x1200.png #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:45 that looks pretty clear to me #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:48 it still looks like the right side of R3 is going through a via to an island on the top layer to me :/ #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:50 there are no vias on that board #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:50 those are to-220-7 packages #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:50 ok, awesome #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:50 right, that makes much more sense #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:50 yeah, someone would be very wrong if those were fivias #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:51 s/fivias/vias/ #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:53 hold on, did you send it out yet? #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:53 wait one minute #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:55 nope, I said I'd wait until 11 :) #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:57 eh, nevermind #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:57 i was going to put a ceramic cap across v+ and gnd on each of those chips like the datasheet suggests #rhrt: 12/04/08 20:58 it will just be easier to do that airwired across the two pins jboticsource: 12/04/08 22:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/04/08 22:30 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhrt: 12/04/08 22:44 ok, I'll send out the version on the SVN #rhrt: 12/04/08 22:45 hold on one minute #rhrt: 12/04/08 22:45 i'm having trouble finding a source for the chips now #rhrt: 12/04/08 22:45 i thought digikey had them before #rhrt: 12/04/08 22:45 what chip? #rhrt: 12/04/08 22:45 it varies #rhrt: 12/04/08 22:46 BTS7960 is one #rhrt: 12/04/08 22:46 or BTN7970 #rhrt: 12/04/08 22:48 well, a findchips.com search doesn't bring up any place with a minimum order size under 300 #rhrt: 12/04/08 22:48 but you've likely already done that, I'll keep looking #rhrt: 12/04/08 22:49 i found some for $15 a piece, but that's a bit much #rhrt: 12/04/08 22:52 good sign, searching BTS7960 brings up rhitrobotics.org on page two #rhrt: 12/04/08 22:54 hm, maybe i just made that chip up. #rhrt: 12/04/08 23:06 no, it existed. it was just discontinued last year.. #rhrt: 12/04/08 23:07 well the 7970 is newer and can handle more current #rhrt: 12/04/08 23:07 but i can't find that either #rhrt: 12/04/08 23:12 I searched for all the varients in the family from http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/channel.html?channel=ff80808112ab681d0112ab69d9b9033b on findchips.com, and I didn't find any with a reasonable minimum order quantity #rhrt: 12/04/08 23:12 http://www.robotpower.com/catalog/ $15/per :( #rhrt: 12/04/08 23:34 kleinjt_server: eh, send him the board. if they're $15/per so be it #rhrt: 12/04/08 23:36 k #rhrt: 12/04/08 23:43 any suggestions on the email? http://dpaste.com/96311/ #rhrt: 12/04/08 23:51 looks fine to me, i really don't know how to properly phrase those kind of emails #rhrt: 12/04/08 23:52 neither do I :/ Ok, I'll keep stalling for another hour or so then send it out. tommost: 12/04/08 23:56 >< QUIT : Nick collision from services. tommost1: 12/04/08 23:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost1: 12/04/08 23:56 >< NICK : tommost #rhrt: 12/05/08 00:11 sent :/ jboticsource: 12/05/08 00:51 >< PART #rhrt : auchter: 12/05/08 02:45 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection auchter: 12/05/08 02:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/05/08 03:49 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/05/08 04:31 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection jboticsource: 12/05/08 08:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/05/08 09:10 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/05/08 09:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/05/08 09:15 >< QUIT : Client Quit jboticsource: 12/05/08 09:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource1: 12/05/08 09:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/05/08 09:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/05/08 10:04 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsource1: 12/05/08 10:42 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/05/08 10:43 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/05/08 10:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/05/08 11:30 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/05/08 11:37 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/05/08 11:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/05/08 12:02 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc: 12/05/08 12:10 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt_server: 12/05/08 12:12 >< QUIT : "Lost terminal" jboticsource: 12/05/08 12:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/05/08 12:22 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/05/08 12:32 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/05/08 12:33 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/05/08 12:49 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) andy753421: 12/05/08 12:58 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/05/08 13:23 >< QUIT : "Leaving." kleinjt: 12/05/08 13:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt_: 12/05/08 13:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/05/08 14:07 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) andy753421: 12/05/08 14:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt: 12/05/08 14:16 >< QUIT : Nick collision from services. kleinjt: 12/05/08 14:16 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt: 12/05/08 14:17 >< QUIT : Client Quit kleinjt_: 12/05/08 14:17 >< NICK : kleinjt collinjc: 12/05/08 14:31 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/05/08 14:49 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/05/08 14:59 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc: 12/05/08 15:20 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection jboticsource: 12/05/08 15:33 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/05/08 15:41 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhrt: 12/05/08 16:17 auchter: I've got the circuit board, it looks fine I think #rhrt: 12/05/08 16:18 there is a bit of weirdness near the pads because it was milled, but since the holes are through plated I don't think it matters #rhrt: 12/05/08 16:21 on second thought, there are some problems with the board, since it is through plated. #rhrt: 12/05/08 16:21 I'll show you what I'm thinking next time I see you tommost: 12/05/08 16:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/05/08 16:40 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) tommost: 12/05/08 16:40 >< JOIN : #rhrt TheBrickWahl: 12/05/08 17:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/05/08 18:53 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/05/08 19:27 >< QUIT : Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) tommost: 12/05/08 19:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/05/08 19:31 kleinjt: shit would have most definitely caught on fire if we used this board as is #rhrt: 12/05/08 19:32 Er, what? #rhrt: 12/05/08 19:34 tommost: the board has some issues #rhrt: 12/05/08 19:34 kleinjt: so far the most significant/obvious problem is caused because he doesn't route away areas where there's no copper #rhrt: 12/05/08 19:35 which has caused the two outputs to be shorted together andy753421: 12/05/08 19:36 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/05/08 19:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/05/08 20:02 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) collinjc: 12/05/08 20:03 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/05/08 20:21 >< QUIT : Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) collinjc: 12/05/08 20:57 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc_eee: 12/05/08 22:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/05/08 23:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc_eee: 12/05/08 23:24 >< PART #rhrt : "Leaving." collinjc_eee: 12/05/08 23:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/06/08 01:44 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc_eee: 12/06/08 01:49 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/06/08 01:56 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/06/08 01:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/06/08 01:59 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/06/08 02:02 >< QUIT : Client Quit andy753421: 12/06/08 02:25 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/06/08 03:40 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost: 12/06/08 03:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/06/08 09:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/06/08 09:04 tommost: can you send an email to the mech team saying that there is a meeting today please. #rhrt: 12/06/08 09:04 thanks #rhrt: 12/06/08 09:05 please add that i will not be there, but i am available by text at 847-274-0643 jboticsource: 12/06/08 09:21 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/06/08 09:35 >< QUIT : wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net tommost: 12/06/08 09:35 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/06/08 09:43 >< QUIT : wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net tommost: 12/06/08 09:44 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/06/08 10:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/06/08 12:40 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/06/08 16:03 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost: 12/06/08 16:09 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/06/08 17:19 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/06/08 17:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc_server: 12/06/08 20:30 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc_server3: 12/06/08 20:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/06/08 20:46 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/06/08 21:09 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/06/08 22:05 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost: 12/06/08 22:29 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/06/08 22:37 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost: 12/06/08 22:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/06/08 22:47 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost: 12/06/08 22:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/07/08 00:18 >< QUIT : "Leaving." auchter: 12/07/08 00:28 >< QUIT : "leaving" auchter: 12/07/08 00:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/07/08 00:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt_: 12/07/08 01:16 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt: 12/07/08 01:32 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection kleinjt: 12/07/08 01:33 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt_: 12/07/08 01:44 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsource: 12/07/08 03:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/07/08 03:47 >< QUIT : "Leaving." kleinjt_eeepc: 12/07/08 12:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt_eeepc: 12/07/08 12:54 >< QUIT : Client Quit jboticsource: 12/07/08 14:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/07/08 14:32 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/07/08 14:52 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." andy753421: 12/07/08 14:55 >< QUIT : "Leaving." natha1: 12/07/08 15:11 >< JOIN : #rhrt natha1: 12/07/08 15:11 >< PART #rhrt : andy753421: 12/07/08 15:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/07/08 15:33 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/07/08 15:44 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/07/08 16:29 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/07/08 16:57 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) tommost: 12/07/08 17:20 >< QUIT : Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) tommost: 12/07/08 17:40 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/07/08 18:03 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/07/08 18:06 >< QUIT : Client Quit jboticsource: 12/07/08 18:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/07/08 18:22 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/07/08 18:23 auchter: I think we're missing a GPS card #rhrt: 12/07/08 18:24 really? #rhrt: 12/07/08 18:24 :'( #rhrt: 12/07/08 18:24 maybe, i don't remember #rhrt: 12/07/08 18:24 like, one different from what we have? #rhrt: 12/07/08 18:24 we have 4 of them.. #rhrt: 12/07/08 18:24 the one we pulled out of the black box, did it have a black sticker on it, or was it just metal colored? #rhrt: 12/07/08 18:25 i'm trying to figure out which one I used previously #rhrt: 12/07/08 18:25 i don't remember #rhrt: 12/07/08 18:25 but none of them seem right.. #rhrt: 12/07/08 18:26 I thought that it was one with a black sticker, but we only have two of those, and one of them is ISA, and the other I though came out of the black box andy753421: 12/07/08 19:38 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/07/08 20:01 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jboticsource: 12/07/08 20:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/07/08 20:34 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/07/08 21:12 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/07/08 21:26 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection collinjc: 12/07/08 22:36 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/07/08 22:37 >< JOIN : #rhrt TheBrickWahl: 12/08/08 00:18 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/08/08 01:47 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/08/08 02:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/08/08 07:36 >< QUIT : Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jboticsource: 12/08/08 07:58 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/08/08 08:40 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." jboticsource: 12/08/08 08:50 >< QUIT : Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jboticsource: 12/08/08 09:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/08/08 09:47 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/08/08 09:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/08/08 09:59 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) andy753421: 12/08/08 10:43 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/08/08 10:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/08/08 11:35 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/08/08 11:44 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/08/08 12:17 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/08/08 12:32 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc: 12/08/08 13:25 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/08/08 13:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/08/08 14:34 >< JOIN : #rhrt TheBrickWahl: 12/08/08 14:49 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/08/08 15:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/08/08 15:14 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/08/08 17:39 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/08/08 17:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/08/08 18:16 >< QUIT : Nick collision from services. tommost1: 12/08/08 18:16 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost1: 12/08/08 18:17 >< NICK : tommost collinjc: 12/08/08 18:49 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/08/08 22:05 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc: 12/08/08 22:47 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/08/08 22:48 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/08/08 23:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt TheBrickWahl: 12/09/08 00:04 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/09/08 03:12 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/09/08 03:39 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/09/08 04:05 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/09/08 07:55 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/09/08 08:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/09/08 08:46 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jboticsource: 12/09/08 08:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/09/08 09:46 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/09/08 09:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource1: 12/09/08 09:58 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource2: 12/09/08 10:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource2: 12/09/08 10:03 >< PART #rhrt : TheBrickWahl: 12/09/08 10:05 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/09/08 10:18 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsource1: 12/09/08 10:19 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) TheBrickWahl: 12/09/08 10:21 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/09/08 10:43 >< QUIT : Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) andy753421: 12/09/08 10:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/09/08 10:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/09/08 11:12 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/09/08 11:33 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/09/08 11:37 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/09/08 11:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/09/08 12:03 >< PART #rhrt : andy753421: 12/09/08 12:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt: 12/09/08 12:09 >< QUIT : "Lost terminal" kleinjt: 12/09/08 12:10 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/09/08 12:15 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/09/08 12:16 auchter: do you want #rhrt: 12/09/08 12:16 open collector #rhrt: 12/09/08 12:16 Push-Pull #rhrt: 12/09/08 12:16 Line Driver #rhrt: 12/09/08 12:16 on the encoders? jboticsource: 12/09/08 12:30 >< PART #rhrt : andy753421: 12/09/08 12:33 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/09/08 13:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/09/08 13:23 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/09/08 13:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/09/08 13:55 >< QUIT : "Leaving." kleinjt: 12/09/08 14:00 >< QUIT : wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net kleinjt: 12/09/08 14:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/09/08 14:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/09/08 14:33 >< JOIN : #rhrt TheBrickWahl: 12/09/08 15:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/09/08 15:14 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection tommost: 12/09/08 16:11 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." TheBrickWahl: 12/09/08 16:13 >< QUIT : wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net TheBrickWahl: 12/09/08 16:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt TheBrickWahl: 12/09/08 16:20 >< QUIT : wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net tommost: 12/09/08 16:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt TheBrickWahl: 12/09/08 16:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/09/08 16:35 >< QUIT : Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) tommost: 12/09/08 16:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/09/08 18:07 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost: 12/09/08 18:08 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/09/08 18:44 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/09/08 18:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/09/08 19:16 I received this today from the technology teacher at Pike High School that I mentioned last week: #rhrt: 12/09/08 19:16 Nick, I’ve just relayed your e-mail to some of my per-engineering students and they were excited about the opportunity to work on a joint robotic project with the Rose – Hulman Robotics Team. Our students are still learning about robotics but, we did win the VEX competition at IVY TECH this pass spring and the Lego NXT programming competition this fall. Do you have any idea of what kind of robotic project to build? We are interested in le #rhrt: 12/09/08 19:17 TheBrickWahl: That got clipped off. #rhrt: 12/09/08 19:17 You should forward that to me or andy753421 and we'll look at it in the meeting in a few minutes. tommost: 12/09/08 19:18 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost: 12/09/08 20:43 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/09/08 20:58 anyone have an ebay account that they can have stuff shipped to terre haute? #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:02 Yeah. #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:02 There was a bit of rigamarole with credit card addresses involved in arranging it that way. #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:05 http://cgi.ebay.com/MTX-Gold-Distribution-Block-Four-40-Amp-Maxi-Fuses_W0QQitemZ300259448125QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Electronics_Installation?hash=item300259448125&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:05 buy two #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:06 no wait, don't buy those #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:06 buy two of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290261755592&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=300259448125&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget&_trksid=p284.m184&_trkparms=algo%3DDR%26its%3DS%252BI%252BSS%26itu%3DISS%252BUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D4 #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:06 I'm going to wait a little while before I actually do that in case you change your mind again. #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:07 the reason i changed my mind was because the first one was $1.50 because it included fuses #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:07 we don't want fuses, so we save $3, which is a win #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:09 Okay, I'll buy it once I get this computer booting to my flash drive. collinjc: 12/09/08 21:11 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:42 hrm, I Just read my email and apparently I was suposed to bring my GPS, sorry about that :) I never went home after school. #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:42 I'll bring it in tomorrow #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:42 and get it setup on a breadboard.. #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:44 kleinjt: Awesome, thanks. #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:45 when is the next software team meeting? (when does it need to be done by) #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:52 Wednesday at 9:00 p.m. #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:55 the ex-nasa guy is talking then :/ #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:55 Hm? #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:57 oh, you aren't a CPE, you haven't gotten the email about it, then the email saying it was last week, then the email saying the date was wrong and it is this week, then the email today saying it is tomorrow, then the email I'll get tomorrow saying it is today #rhrt: 12/09/08 21:58 Some nasa flight medical person who worked on the apollo space program is speaking tomorrow night #rhrt: 12/09/08 22:04 Ah. Well, don't let robotics stop you from going to that if you want to. #rhrt: 12/09/08 22:29 Crap, I just set it to have them shipped to La Crosse. #rhrt: 12/09/08 22:30 eBay changed the order process around and I missed the page to change it. :( #rhrt: 12/09/08 22:30 well, i suppose we'll be waiting until after break to do that #rhrt: 12/09/08 22:30 Because of me, or because you would anyway? #rhrt: 12/09/08 22:31 i don't know how much we would have done before then, for testing what we have is sufficient #rhrt: 12/09/08 22:31 Okay, then. #rhrt: 12/09/08 22:31 plus, we need to get the rack case anyway #rhrt: 12/09/08 22:32 once jay can guarantee me 15" of depth, i'll order one collinjc: 12/09/08 23:00 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/09/08 23:00 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhrt: 12/09/08 23:14 auchter: I found my description of the rack I saw at Mendelson's #rhrt: 12/09/08 23:14 they also had what was marked as a 19 in sub rack in the section with server racks, they had several sizes ranging about 6 to 18 in high, they were open on top, bottom, front, and back and the side panels had a bunch of mounting holes, they were all $20, and I can pick one up on my way home if you want one #rhrt: 12/09/08 23:26 TheBrickWahl: that would probably work fine then #rhrt: 12/09/08 23:30 auchter: do you mind waiting until after break? #rhrt: 12/09/08 23:32 not at all. the enclosure itself isn't dependent on the rack #rhrt: 12/09/08 23:40 http://www.hammondmfg.com/RM_U.htm #rhrt: 12/09/08 23:40 the RM3U1913VBK would be just about perfect. 13" deep #rhrt: 12/09/08 23:41 i'm guessing it willbe more than we want to spend thoug #rhrt: 12/09/08 23:41 80-20 #rhrt: 12/09/08 23:41 TheBrickWahl: you should also check to see if they have any rack mount enclosures #rhrt: 12/09/08 23:42 woah, yeah, $207 #rhrt: 12/09/08 23:43 uh, time to look somewhere else... auchter: 12/10/08 00:15 >< QUIT : "Lost terminal" auchter: 12/10/08 00:16 >< JOIN : #rhrt ZetaSyanthis: 12/10/08 02:17 >< PART #rhrt : andy753421: 12/10/08 02:36 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/10/08 02:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/10/08 06:51 >< PART #rhrt : tommost: 12/10/08 07:45 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost: 12/10/08 09:58 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/10/08 10:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt TheBrickWahl: 12/10/08 10:37 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/10/08 10:43 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost: 12/10/08 11:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/10/08 11:13 >< QUIT : Nick collision from services. tommost1: 12/10/08 11:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost1: 12/10/08 11:13 >< NICK : tommost #rhrt: 12/10/08 11:14 tommost: can you send out an email to the mechanical team stating there there is a new robot meeting tonight at 7:pm please. #rhrt: 12/10/08 11:14 Sure. #rhrt: 12/10/08 11:14 * 7:00 pm #rhrt: 12/10/08 11:14 thanks #rhrt: 12/10/08 11:15 jboticsource: are you going to try to come up with an encoder solution? #rhrt: 12/10/08 11:16 tonight or in general? #rhrt: 12/10/08 11:16 sometime soon, in case something on the design needs to change to accomodate the encoders #rhrt: 12/10/08 11:17 defiantly, we need to nail this down real quick. It will be discussed. #rhrt: 12/10/08 11:17 awesome tommost: 12/10/08 12:10 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." jboticsource: 12/10/08 13:13 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/10/08 13:26 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/10/08 13:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/10/08 14:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/10/08 14:45 >< QUIT : Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) andy753421: 12/10/08 14:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/10/08 15:29 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/10/08 16:25 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/10/08 16:33 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jboticsource: 12/10/08 16:37 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/10/08 16:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/10/08 17:03 epoxy for the CF-IDE adaptor standoffs seems to be holding well. I started epoxying standoffs for the power supply. it shouldn't be agitated for the next hour or more. #rhrt: 12/10/08 17:04 score! #rhrt: 12/10/08 17:04 also, epoxy still smells nasty #rhrt: 12/10/08 17:05 smell was never a design requirement jboticsource: 12/10/08 18:38 >< PART #rhrt : jboticsource: 12/10/08 18:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/10/08 18:39 mechanical team meeting in 20 minuites jboticsource: 12/10/08 18:40 >< PART #rhrt : andy753421: 12/10/08 18:51 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc: 12/10/08 19:09 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/10/08 19:15 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/10/08 19:55 >< QUIT : "Leaving." TheBrickWahl: 12/10/08 20:18 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/10/08 20:18 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/10/08 20:53 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/10/08 21:02 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." andy753421: 12/10/08 21:03 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:04 kleinjt: is the computer case done drying? #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:09 andy753421: it has been drying for four hours, it should be fine #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:09 if not we've got plenty more epoxy :) #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:09 alright #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:09 if the holes don't line up I'll fix it tomorrow #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:12 they dont #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:12 i busted one of the pegs off too #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:12 no problem, I'll fix it tomorrow #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:12 i might just do it now #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:12 ok #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:12 i might bust off all the pegs actually and then score the case before re-gluing them natha1: 12/10/08 21:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt natha1: 12/10/08 21:15 >< PART #rhrt : tommost: 12/10/08 21:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/10/08 21:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:44 the frame for the new robot is started now #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:44 both a cross member and a side member have been cut to length #rhrt: 12/10/08 21:44 they need some holes and they will be complete /vader voice collinjc: 12/10/08 22:15 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhrt: 12/10/08 22:24 http://spectrum.ieee.org/print/7012 andy753421: 12/10/08 23:28 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost: 12/10/08 23:30 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." andy753421: 12/10/08 23:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/10/08 23:39 so we upgraded the computer to debian testing because debian stable sucks #rhrt: 12/10/08 23:39 i.e. we couldn't install python2.5-gtk2 #rhrt: 12/10/08 23:39 kleinjt: which means I didn't get around to gluing the pegs back on :( #rhrt: 12/10/08 23:40 so does wireless work now then? #rhrt: 12/10/08 23:40 kleinjt: i might still try to do that at some point, but if you have a chance go for it #rhrt: 12/10/08 23:40 auchter: yes, we got wireless working in Ad-Hoc mode on sunday #rhrt: 12/10/08 23:40 cool tommost: 12/11/08 00:03 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc_server3: 12/11/08 01:07 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsource: 12/11/08 01:08 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) andy753421: 12/11/08 01:52 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/11/08 02:18 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc_server3: 12/11/08 07:03 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/11/08 07:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/11/08 07:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/11/08 08:29 >< QUIT : Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) collinjc_server3: 12/11/08 08:37 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) collinjc_server2: 12/11/08 08:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/11/08 08:52 >< PART #rhrt : tommost: 12/11/08 08:59 >< QUIT : Nick collision from services. tommost: 12/11/08 08:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc_server2: 12/11/08 09:06 >< QUIT : Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) collinjc: 12/11/08 09:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/11/08 09:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/11/08 09:54 >< QUIT : Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) jboticsource: 12/11/08 10:02 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jboticsource: 12/11/08 10:02 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource1: 12/11/08 10:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource1: 12/11/08 10:10 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jboticsource1: 12/11/08 10:10 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc_server3: 12/11/08 10:15 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource1: 12/11/08 10:18 >< PART #rhrt : jboticsource: 12/11/08 10:22 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) collinjc_server3: 12/11/08 10:34 >< QUIT : Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) jboticsource: 12/11/08 10:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc_server3: 12/11/08 11:09 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc_server3: 12/11/08 11:13 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/11/08 11:42 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc: 12/11/08 11:54 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) andy753421: 12/11/08 11:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/11/08 12:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/11/08 12:24 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/11/08 13:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/11/08 13:18 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection collinjc: 12/11/08 13:26 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/11/08 13:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/11/08 14:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/11/08 14:34 we now have the main frame all cut. we need to put some holes in it now and the main frame will be complete #rhrt: 12/11/08 14:35 yay #rhrt: 12/11/08 14:40 awesome #rhrt: 12/11/08 14:40 i hope to have holes in the frame this weekend #rhrt: 12/11/08 14:40 and have some of the internal blocks machined #rhrt: 12/11/08 14:57 auchter: Have you ordered all the electrical components for the motor controller yet? #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:04 auchter: is that the $400 order? #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:06 Also, we need to order the e-stop switch and warning light or siren. #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:07 tommost: nick and i tried to order usb warning lights from woot yesterday. They sold out faster than we could get it :( #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:07 Yeah, he told me about that. #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:07 Those probably aren't actually bright enough to be visible outdoors, though. #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:08 jboticsource: why don't we CNC warning lights out of a solid piece of yellow plastic? #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:08 hmmm, we could put a bright flashlight on a modded servo #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:09 TheBrickWahl: splendid idea! #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:09 i also need to say splended more #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:09 *\splendid #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:13 andy753421: any thoughts on the draft letter I sent you? #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:13 we need to get the robot on the !X network and find a way to contol it remotely so we can just sit in a lab and have it run around the academic buildings during and between classes #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:14 TheBrickWahl: I have not looked at it yet #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:14 we should do that and find out when mechatronics class is and dive in unexpected one day #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:14 jboticsource: It needs to be able to climb stairs and/or press elevator buttons to make that viable. #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:14 Both of those are Hardware Team problems. #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:14 it should be able to climb stairs #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:15 it certainly has the torque to carry itslef #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:15 and i bet teh wheels will be big enough #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:15 and teh front of the wheel extends past the frame a bit #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:15 so it will ride up on stairs #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:15 Yeah, we can try that sometime.~ #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:16 we can have it meet fisher like that #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:16 that would be cool #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:16 we could put a speaker on it too #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:16 so we could talk to him #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:16 and be like #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:16 hey check this out it works #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:17 i think the robot also needs a chainsaw #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:17 Okay, now we're getting a bit far afield. #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:17 actually, i wonder how well a chainsaw based drive train would #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:17 work #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:18 we could construct it like a devistator tank from halo #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:19 but anyway i want to control it remotely over the wireless #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:19 that would rock #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:21 (gazes at software team) #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:22 jboticsource: We would need to register the WiFI adaptor's MAC address with IAIT and get a special username/password for it. #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:24 wait, would the username/password come from IAIT? #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:24 Don't know. #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:24 oh ok #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:24 so we register the mac with iait, big deal #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:25 We need the camera mounted before this would work, in any case. #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:25 that is on its way, hopefully that will be done this weekend #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:26 Good; we need to get the camera set up again. #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:27 the new robot uses the same mast so it will be trivial to install it when the time comes #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:27 That's nice. #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:32 btw auchter never answered us #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:32 Yeah, he's probably in class or something. Lame. #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:41 yeah, i probably was in class or something #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:41 i probably should be now #rhrt: 12/11/08 15:41 i need to order parts yet, but first i need to actually update the design to be surface mount to make sure it's viable jboticsource: 12/11/08 15:43 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jboticsource: 12/11/08 15:43 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/11/08 16:20 >< PART #rhrt : ncw000: 12/11/08 16:34 >< JOIN : #rhrt ncw000: 12/11/08 16:35 >< PART #rhrt : andy753421: 12/11/08 17:20 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/11/08 17:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/11/08 18:33 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/11/08 18:49 >< PART #rhrt : #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:08 andy753421: do you have anything planned for that presentation we're supposed to give Saturday? #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:09 TheBrickWahl: slightly ;) #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:10 I'm going to talk about some general stuff for ~5-10 minutes, then I would like each team leader to talk about what they do for ~10 minutes #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:10 then we're going to go show them around the lab, and maybe try driving the cart around #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:10 I'm giving a tours right after our presentation, and I can come earlier if you need any help #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:11 i'm not sure if i mentioned that to auchter or jay yet though #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:11 jay was just here, let me see if I can find him #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:12 alright, if you want to talk about some of the mechanical stuff that'd be great jboticsource: 12/11/08 19:12 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:12 hey, just the person I was looking for #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:12 hi #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:13 jboticsource: for the presentation on saturday, can you/your team give a ~10 min presentation on what the hardware team does? #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:13 auchter: same for you #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:13 yep #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:13 we will make it work #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:13 ok, we should probably put together some slides so we're not just standing around doing nothing #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:14 mabye #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:14 maybe #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:14 I want to say we have something like that on trac somewhere #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:15 or maybe that was somewhere else... I can't remember #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:15 but we should have something form the beginning of the year that we can update #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:30 ok #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:46 the woot lights are on woot again #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:46 do we want them? #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:46 YES #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:50 I'm ordering a set unless anyone objects #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:51 no one objects #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:51 oerder it!!! #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:53 what? #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:53 uh, that's not coming out of the budget #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:53 i want one #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:54 I haven't clicked the gold button yet #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:54 do it #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:54 jboticsource: will you pay for it? #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:54 yes #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:55 its ordered #rhrt: 12/11/08 19:55 awesome andy753421: 12/11/08 20:22 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/11/08 20:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/11/08 20:43 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc: 12/11/08 20:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/11/08 21:00 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/11/08 21:23 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt: 12/11/08 22:21 >< QUIT : wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net kleinjt: 12/11/08 22:23 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/12/08 00:54 >< QUIT : "Leaving." TheBrickWahl: 12/12/08 01:03 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/12/08 01:46 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/12/08 02:08 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/12/08 02:25 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/12/08 02:32 Cool, they've updated stuff: http://www3.elphel.com/wiki/Imgsrv jboticsource: 12/12/08 03:32 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/12/08 04:32 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/12/08 04:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/12/08 08:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/12/08 09:47 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc: 12/12/08 09:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/12/08 10:12 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection jboticsource: 12/12/08 10:17 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/12/08 10:39 >< PART #rhrt : jboticsource: 12/12/08 10:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/12/08 11:09 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/12/08 11:36 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/12/08 11:37 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/12/08 11:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/12/08 12:01 >< PART #rhrt : collinjc: 12/12/08 12:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/12/08 12:40 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/12/08 12:49 >< PART #rhrt : tommost: 12/12/08 12:59 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection collinjc: 12/12/08 13:27 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421: 12/12/08 14:14 >< QUIT : "Leaving." TheBrickWahl: 12/12/08 14:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/12/08 14:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/12/08 14:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/12/08 15:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt TheBrickWahl: 12/12/08 15:11 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc: 12/12/08 15:18 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection tommost: 12/12/08 15:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 12/12/08 15:51 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost: 12/12/08 15:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/12/08 16:12 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection tommost: 12/12/08 16:13 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." andy753421: 12/12/08 16:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/12/08 16:55 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy7534211: 12/12/08 17:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/12/08 17:07 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) andy7534211: 12/12/08 17:50 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource: 12/12/08 17:52 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 12/12/08 17:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/12/08 18:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt collinjc: 12/12/08 18:35 >< QUIT : Client Quit tommost: 12/12/08 18:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt jboticsource: 12/12/08 19:09 >< PART #rhrt : TheBrickWahl: 12/12/08 19:34 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/12/08 22:33 So we need to make the robot work before we present... #rhrt: 12/12/08 22:33 I'm pretty sure it doesn't have everything on it it needs, right, auchter? andy753421: 12/12/08 22:51 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421: 12/12/08 23:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:40 hm, it seems i had forgotten about that #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:40 what exactly is this and where should i be and when? #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:40 Our presentation is at 1:00 p.m. We should be there earlier, obviously enough. #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:41 we should probably try to get there around 12:00 if we want to have the robot working #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:41 ok. i'll plan on being there around 11:30 orso #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:41 Okay; I'll come there directly after lunch. Probably ~noon. #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:41 alright, have you figured out what you want to talk about for electronics? #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:42 we probably want somewhere around 10 slides per team #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:42 so a minute a slide #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:42 not particularly. what are you going to be talking about for software? #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:42 and is there a latex file anywhere for this presentation? #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:42 I don't think so (at least not yet?) #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:43 I can start on in the admin svn repo #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:44 i won't be working on it until tomorrow morning anyway, so there's no rush #rhrt: 12/12/08 23:45