#rhrt: 01/01/09 01:04 <shatly> happy fucking new year
#rhrt: 01/01/09 02:25 <kleinjt> er.. it is ~4:30 in the afternoon.
#rhrt: 01/01/09 02:25 <shatly> for you
#rhrt: 01/01/09 02:26 <chtr> afternoons are overrated
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#rhrt: 01/02/09 15:52 <tommost> Gah!  I missed andy754321.
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#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:22 <chtr> jboticsource: can i buy the grayhill 63R encoders, or will those not work with the new design?
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:24 <jboticsource> I need to poke wayne first...he still has not replied
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:25 <jboticsource> I will poke him on Monday or Tuesday
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:25 <chtr> i don't care much about insufficient funds
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:25 <chtr> also, he's not going to be at rose monday or tuesday
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:25 <jboticsource> ahh
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:25 <jboticsource> did not know that
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:26 <chtr> i was wondering more physically in  terms of the design of the robot
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:26 <chtr> if you can accomodate those encoders or not
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:26 <jboticsource> we could probably rig something to make it happen.  Would it be unelegant: yes.  Would it work: yes
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:27 <chtr> inelegant.
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:27 <jboticsource> we could pobally add another mount on the top of the motor mounts on the outside of the frame that housed them
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:27 <chtr> ok.
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:27 <jboticsource> and use a pulley
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:27 <chtr> it's just that i've got the code almost done for the new motor controllers, and i'd kind of like to test them.
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:27 <jboticsource> understandable
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:28 <chtr> also, the fact that proper feedback is kinda a very big deal on this robot
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:28 <chtr> are we meeting tomorrow?
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:28 <chtr> (i'll be there regardless)
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:28 <jboticsource> like an offical mech/elec team meeting?
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:28 <jboticsource> or in general?
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:28 <jboticsource> oh right
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:28 <jboticsource> Sunday....
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:29 <jboticsource> my bad. I keep thinking it is Sunday
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:29 <chtr> i'm thinking of starting electronics team meetings on mondays as well
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:29 <chtr> this week is pretty bad for me though, so i don't know what's going to end up happennig
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:29 <jboticsource> how about this
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:30 <jboticsource> we buy 1 encoder for you to play with
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:30 <jboticsource> and for the mech team to integrate
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:30 <jboticsource> if we like what we see we can use it
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:30 <chtr> so... two encoders then?
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:31 <chtr> well, the fact is, i don't really want $60 going down the drain if we don't end up using it
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:31 <chtr> i say we buy two and count on using them.
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:31 <jboticsource> ok
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:31 <chtr> you might need to design mounts for them, but they're relatively small and can be shoe-horned in
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:31 <jboticsource> I for some reason had buying 6 in my head right off the bat.
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:32 <jboticsource> I forgot about operating each side on one alone
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:32 <jboticsource> so yea, buying two sounds good
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:32 <chtr> well, it's certainly not ideal... but...
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:32 <chtr> yeah.
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:33 <jboticsource> what is the status with the server rack mount thing that you wanted?
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:33 <chtr> nick was going to look into what that one crazy store had
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:34 <chtr> i hope it turns out that he found something, because all i've found is expensive
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:34 <chtr> we might end up needing the mechanical team to build us a box of sorts
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:34 <jboticsource> if it comes to that, it will happen
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:35 <chtr> right-o
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:36 <chtr> kleinjt: want to write a bootloader for the atmega so we can re-program the AVRs over CAN?
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:36 <chtr> (if not, i'll do it.  it sounds rather exciting to me...)
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:37 <jboticsource> tommost: your katakana just got a little sharper:  http://bugs.python.org/issue4753       I saw it on reddit I think.
#rhrt: 01/04/09 00:39 <tommost> jboticsource: Yeah, I was just reading that ticket.
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#rhrt: 01/04/09 14:32 <chtr> almost meeting time
#rhrt: 01/04/09 14:49 <chtr> kinda empty here...
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#rhrt: 01/04/09 17:52 <shatly> kinda
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#rhrt: 01/04/09 21:33 <chtr> kleinjt: so that avrisp deal was giving me some issues today
#rhrt: 01/04/09 21:33 <chtr> it seemed to be very flaky about actually working.
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#rhrt: 01/05/09 04:42 <kleinjt> chtr: whenever I'm having probems programming an AVR it is always a flakey connection, or a wrong hookup, or bad programming software, or the lack of an osscilator with the fusebits set to not use the internal one, or a fried chip, or a fried programmer, or it really was working but I wasn't paying enough attention
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#rhrt: 01/05/09 09:14 <chtr>   i'm using a crazy oscialltor (those 4-pin dip deals) i salvaged from an old board
#rhrt: 01/05/09 09:14 <chtr> fuse bits for the clock are set to 0000
#rhrt: 01/05/09 09:14 <chtr> i'm using a breadboard with crazy long airwires though
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#rhrt: 01/06/09 16:45 <kleinjt> aucther: in the process of trying to find more documentation on gbtiler I found this: http://claymore.engineer.gvsu.edu/~steriana/Python/gerbmerge/
#rhrt: 01/06/09 16:46 <kleinjt> it looks like it is a bit more powerful and works with the formats we're using. it is also written in python, so it must be better
#rhrt: 01/06/09 16:46 <kleinjt> nevermind, they hardcoded stuff to expect python 2.4, they lose points for that
#rhrt: 01/06/09 16:47 <kleinjt> it does look like it tiles automatically though, and works with a mix of boards
#rhrt: 01/06/09 16:50 <kleinjt> if we want to make development boards for the avr/rs232 level shifters/can boards I can time 'em
#rhrt: 01/06/09 16:51 <tommost> Are you still using CAN, then?
#rhrt: 01/06/09 17:07 <chtr> of course
#rhrt: 01/06/09 17:07 <tommost> You seemed to be rethinking it the other day.
#rhrt: 01/06/09 17:08 <chtr> nope
#rhrt: 01/06/09 17:09 <tommost> It never happened, huh?
#rhrt: 01/06/09 17:09 <chtr> nope
#rhrt: 01/06/09 17:09 <chtr> i deny it all
#rhrt: 01/06/09 18:17 <andy753421> hey, i'm going to go out and buy groceries, if I don't get back by the meeting just start without me
#rhrt: 01/06/09 18:18 <chtr> ok
#rhrt: 01/06/09 19:09 <tommost> Meeting time!
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#rhrt: 01/06/09 19:10 <chtr> oh,right.
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#rhrt: 01/06/09 19:53 <jboticsource1> hi
#rhrt: 01/06/09 19:53 <jboticsource1> lol
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ACTION begins the enclosure search

#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:44 <tommost> I can't find anything for reasonably cheap.
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:44 <tommost> Even on eBay... in fact, newegg is cheaper than eBay.
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:50 <andy753421> oh well, i committed a few things, i should be over in a bit
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:51 <andy753421> i'd suggest trying to get it to build and run properly for you
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:51 <andy753421> is brant there?
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:51 <andy753421> hm.. wrong window
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:51 <tommost> andy753421: I think that you're in the wrong channel.
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:51 <tommost> Yeah.
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:51 <tommost> How's your senior project going, anyway?
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:51 <andy753421> alright
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:51 <andy753421> visual studio sucks
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:52 <tommost> What are you using it for?
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:53 <andy753421> we're using C and GTK+
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:54 <andy753421> and two of my teammates are trying to code that in visual stdio
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:54 <tommost> 
ACTION frowns

#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:54 <andy753421> which means they go to me whenever their builds fail
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:54 <tommost> Does glade even run on Windows?
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:54 <andy753421> yea
#rhrt: 01/06/09 20:55 <andy753421> anyway, i'm off the the cs lab
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#rhrt: 01/06/09 21:04 <tommost> auchter: I think that we can conclude that we won't be buying a case or enclosure.
#rhrt: 01/06/09 21:04 <tommost> jboticsource1: That's your job.
#rhrt: 01/06/09 21:06 <jboticsource1> ok
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#rhrt: 01/06/09 21:35 <jboticsource1> the woot lights need to be on the robot
#rhrt: 01/06/09 21:35 <tommost> 
ACTION sighs

#rhrt: 01/06/09 21:36 <jboticsource1> we can prob take them apart and put in brighter LEDs
#rhrt: 01/06/09 21:36 <jboticsource1> and we can have one on each side of the bot for symmetry
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#rhrt: 01/07/09 13:40 <jboticsource> tommost: can you send an email to the mechanical team stating that there will be a new robot team meeting tonight at 7pm please?
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#rhrt: 01/07/09 14:36 <jboticsource> thanks tommost!
#rhrt: 01/07/09 14:36 <tommost> No problem.
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#rhrt: 01/07/09 21:04 <tommost> kleinjt: This GPS with the Arduino power source works, right?
#rhrt: 01/07/09 21:08 <tommost> Cool, it does.
#rhrt: 01/07/09 21:08 <tommost> 
ACTION commands the weather to be less cold

#rhrt: 01/07/09 21:09 <chtr> kleinjt: creative use of the arduino board for an ftdi232
#rhrt: 01/07/09 21:10 <tommost> Yeah, it's pretty awesome.
#rhrt: 01/07/09 21:13 <tommost> I just found some Halliburton antibacterial hand gel in the lab.
#rhrt: 01/07/09 21:15 <chtr> sounds tasty
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#rhrt: 01/07/09 21:51 <tommost> Okay, the Microstrain's working.
#rhrt: 01/07/09 21:53 <tommost> I'm going to go outside to see what the GPS says our position is.
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#rhrt: 01/07/09 22:22 <tommost> Some results from going outside with the test GPS: https://rhitrobotics.org/wiki/igvc/test-gps
#rhrt: 01/07/09 22:24 <tommost> I was at about http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.484019,-87.322504&spn=0.001896,0.002087&t=h&z=19
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#rhrt: 01/09/09 14:05 <chtr> kleinjt: i added a resistor to pull /reset high on the can board
#rhrt: 01/09/09 14:05 <chtr> i'd like to get maybe one or two of those boards made
#rhrt: 01/09/09 14:05 <chtr> if you're looking for soemtime to do, i've started working on adding the can stuff to the motor controller board, since we now have 6 boards we need
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#rhrt: 01/09/09 14:36 <chtr> ECE497-01 Robotics Berry
#rhrt: 01/09/09 14:36 <chtr> hmm...
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#rhrt: 01/09/09 15:45 <kleinjt> ok, I'll try to tile two can board with some simple atmega dev boards
#rhrt: 01/09/09 15:46 <kleinjt> oh, I need to make a zigbee/can board too, right?
#rhrt: 01/09/09 15:48 <chtr> yeah
#rhrt: 01/09/09 15:49 <chtr> if you want to do that, i'll get the can stuff on the motor controller
#rhrt: 01/09/09 15:53 <chtr> the BTS7960s are on the way.  if you need any parts post them by sunday (digikey)
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#rhrt: 01/10/09 08:37 <jboticsource> I won't be able to make the meeting to day.  I am at home right now in chicago.  anyway, things that need to happen
#rhrt: 01/10/09 08:37 <jboticsource> 1) Machine the mast plate for the legacy robot
#rhrt: 01/10/09 08:37 <jboticsource> 2)Cut another piece of the internal frame.  There is a draft file sitting on our desk with the important dimensions.  I cut one of them on Wednesday.  There is plenty of that stock left in the machine shop.
#rhrt: 01/10/09 08:38 <jboticsource> 3) The pillow blocks need their bearing hole drilled out to .69 in
#rhrt: 01/10/09 08:39 <jboticsource> they are currently at .5
#rhrt: 01/10/09 08:39 <jboticsource> 4) we need to find some enclosures
#rhrt: 01/10/09 08:40 <jboticsource> TheBrickWahl:  pass this on to the meeting please
#rhrt: 01/10/09 08:41 <jboticsource> I will be available by phone of there are any questions/comments/concerns: 847-274-0643
#rhrt: 01/10/09 08:43 <jboticsource> as a reminder,  the robot can be downloaded from my web space at www.rose-hulman.edu/~kinziejh/robot.zip
#rhrt: 01/10/09 11:20 <TheBrickWahl> jboticsource: will do
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#rhrt: 01/11/09 12:40 <chtr> we still need the 15amp fuse for the computer, right?
#rhrt: 01/11/09 12:41 <chtr> kleinjt: also, bring a 20MHz crystal
#rhrt: 01/11/09 12:42 <kleinjt> right, ok
#rhrt: 01/11/09 12:44 <chtr> alright i'll head over to radioshack then.\
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#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:28 <jboticsource> so I talked to padget yesterday with shipley.  He is actually in a good mood.  He likes what we are doing and wants a more formal proposal.  Auchter:  I need a list of things from you that you want e.g. motor controllers, e-stops, flux capacitors etc.  I will then combine the electrical's and mechanical's and then send it to him.
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:29 <jboticsource> the proposal needs to say what you want, and why it is worth their while to give xyz to us.
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:29 <jboticsource> I will have the mechanical's done in a day or 2
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:29 <kleinjt> cool. getting up that early is a bad decision though.
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:30 <jboticsource> I went to bed at 11
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:30 <jboticsource> or 2300
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:30 <jboticsource> kleinjt, why are  you up?
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:31 <kleinjt> I went to bed at 2230..
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:31 <jboticsource> looks like we are in the same boat
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:33 <jboticsource> I was just toated yesterday.  shipley and I spent some quality time in the machine shop doing things.
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:33 <jboticsource> the final internal frame part is cut
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:33 <jboticsource> and two pillow blocks are completely done
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:33 <jboticsource> the remaining 4 need their  main hole drilled out a bit more
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:33 <jboticsource> and two of them need 2 more holes in the top
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:34 <jboticsource> we should be able to finish them tonight
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:34 <jboticsource> and then move on to making holes in the frame on wednessday
#rhrt: 01/13/09 05:34 <jboticsource> at that point we will be ready to weld!
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#rhrt: 01/13/09 13:00 <kleinjt> I've hunted down and killed all the dependencies to gerbmerge. chtr, do you want any copies of the motor controller boards tiled in?
#rhrt: 01/13/09 13:01 <chtr> just do two of the CAN boards.  i want to check something before getting a motor control board made
#rhrt: 01/13/09 13:01 <chtr> maybe just wait until tonight
#rhrt: 01/13/09 13:02 <kleinjt> ok
#rhrt: 01/13/09 13:22 <kleinjt> does anyone have an idea what the maximum panel size is for PCB creation at rose-hulman?
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#rhrt: 01/13/09 13:33 <kleinjt> I'll just keep it reasonable.
#rhrt: 01/13/09 13:34 <chtr> we should start a batchpcb like service to exploit that we only pay for the panel...
#rhrt: 01/13/09 13:38 <kleinjt> from what I can tell so far, gerbmerge doesn't merge .dri and .gpi files. these contain information on drill codes. this shouldn't be a problem if we tile the same board, it might be a pain if we try to tile different sorts of boards
#rhrt: 01/13/09 13:39 <kleinjt> we don't have much to lose though, we'd just get a partially or incorrectly drilled board along with some working ones
#rhrt: 01/13/09 13:39 <chtr> show me that tonight
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#rhrt: 01/13/09 16:34 <chtr> kleinjt: hey, have you done much with SPI on the avr?
#rhrt: 01/13/09 16:40 <kleinjt> nope, not much
#rhrt: 01/13/09 16:40 <chtr> well damn
#rhrt: 01/13/09 16:41 <chtr> i don't like the way it works.
#rhrt: 01/13/09 16:41 <chtr> and i'm hoping that i'm wrong
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#rhrt: 01/13/09 17:59 <kleinjt> chtr: do you have a schematic of how the atmega connects to the can header?
#rhrt: 01/13/09 18:00 <kleinjt> I committed a modified sparkfun library which ought to have the can header as any seven posistion header. I'm double checking now.
#rhrt: 01/13/09 18:00 <kleinjt> yep, it looks like it worked
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#rhrt: 01/13/09 19:02 <kleinjt> is there anything I'll need to be at the meeting for? it is pretty bloddy cold for biking
#rhrt: 01/13/09 19:02 <kleinjt> s/dd/od/
#rhrt: 01/13/09 19:03 <chtr> eh, i'm going to be working on motor controller code for today
#rhrt: 01/13/09 19:03 <chtr> could you add a relay and a relay driver to the motor controller board?
#rhrt: 01/13/09 19:04 <chtr> (there should be a library with the standard automotive relay somewhere)
#rhrt: 01/13/09 19:06 <chtr> i'm heading to rose
#rhrt: 01/13/09 19:06 <chtr> also, how's the killswitch board coming?
#rhrt: 01/13/09 19:08 <kleinjt> I haven't thought of a non-stupid way of levelshifting between the xbee and the atmega
#rhrt: 01/13/09 19:08 <kleinjt> I could get it done tonight if I did it stupidly.
#rhrt: 01/13/09 19:10 <kleinjt> oh, there is a half-finished one on SVN that I forgot about with levelshifting already done. I'll be able to finish it tonight.
#rhrt: 01/13/09 19:11 <kleinjt> or not, I was just running the whole board at 3.3V..
#rhrt: 01/13/09 19:15 <kleinjt> I'll just do a voltage divider with resistor
#rhrt: 01/13/09 19:15 <kleinjt> s
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#rhrt: 01/13/09 20:45 <chtr> the motor controller is talking to itself over CAN
#rhrt: 01/13/09 20:46 <chtr> right, now the next step is to get a rs232->can node going and have the computer talk to the motor controller... that's slightly less insane sounding ;)
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#rhrt: 01/13/09 21:53 <tommost> Yay.
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#rhrt: 01/14/09 17:31 <jboticsource> tommost_addoator  could you send out an email about the new robot team meeting to night please?
#rhrt: 01/14/09 17:31 <jboticsource> at 7pm
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#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:05 <tommost> Hmm... the computer seems to be missing.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:05 <tommost> I suspect the mechanical team.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:06 <chtr> tommost: when i left last night they were unplugging the computer
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:06 <chtr> they assured me it would be safe..
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:06 <tommost> Ah, I found it.  They hid it under the robot.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:11 <tommost> chtr: Would you add something here? https://rhitrobotics.org/wiki/meetings/2009-01-13
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:13 <chtr> yay anonymous edits
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:14 <tommost> 
ACTION frowns at auchter

#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:14 <chtr> hey, i expected to be prompted
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:14 <tommost> No, Trac is crappy like that.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:14 <chtr> 
ACTION frowns at tommost for shoddily set up wiki

#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:15 <tommost> Andy was responsible for the anonymous edits, thank-you-very-much.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:22 <tommost> I don't like what the cold does to attendance at software meetings.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:25 <chtr> the attendence yesterday was pretty pathetic too
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:25 <tommost> I need to start getting stuff done soon, because I suspect that next quarter's class *may* be just a bit time consuming.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:26 <chtr> yep, i'm going to be killed next quarter.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:27 <chtr> kleinjt: did you add the relay to the motor controller board?
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:45 <tommost> auchter: Is the AVR CAN library in a working state?
#rhrt: 01/14/09 21:47 <tommost> Who was supposed to e-mail the IGVC re. RTK/DGPS?
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:17 <chtr> i'm pretty sure i was supposed to email them (which i haven't) (and ``re'' is a word, not an abbreviation)
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:17 <chtr> also, define ``working state''
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:17 <chtr> it hasn't been tested extensively, but it seems to work
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:17 <chtr> the message reception is very shoddy and needs to be rewritten to not be so stupid
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:17 <chtr> but that's not a priority for me right now
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:17 <tommost> Okay, I'll leave the CAN ticket open, then.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:18 <tommost> Should I write an e-mail for the IGVC?
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:18 <chtr> sure
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:18 <tommost> Okay.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:18 <chtr> this saturday i'm going to work on/finish the rs232->can interface
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:18 <tommost> Cool.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:18 <chtr> that will be invaluble for figuring out what's wrong with the can code
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:19 <chtr> (which i don't think is much.  also, that will force me to fix message reception ;)
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:36 <tommost> chtr: I just sent you a draft of the e-mail.  Is it all technically correct, etc?
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#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:48 <chtr> tommost: i think i found the answer to the question...
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:48 <chtr> http://uwrobotics.uwaterloo.ca/files/UWRT_IGVC08.pdf
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:48 <chtr> page 7
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:49 <chtr> hey, they use the encoders that i want, too
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:52 <tommost> Hmm... apparently the treads are so that they can handle the non-existent sandpit.  The sandpit rules seem lame to me—you shouldn't get docked for hitting it as long as you get out fine.'
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:53 <jboticsource> we could easially add treads to our new bot
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:54 <tommost> jboticsource: There you are!
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:54 <jboticsource> hi
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:54 <tommost> Write something here: https://rhitrobotics.org/wiki/meetings/2009-01-13
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:54 <jboticsource> ok
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:55 <tommost> Everyone seems to use webcams or camcorders for vision.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:55 <tommost> It's odd.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:55 <tommost> We have a camera that's as expensive as our entire robot.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:55 <chtr> we should be able to own them then
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:56 <chtr> also, for the digilent design competition, at the very least i'm building something to grab images from the cameralink cameras we have and dump them out over usb2
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:56 <tommost> Awesome!
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:56 <chtr> i think it will be manageable from what i remember of the cameralink spec
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:56 <chtr> more of a stretch is actually removing perspective distortion from the images...
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:56 <chtr> even more of a stretch would be generating disparity maps ;0
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:57 <chtr> i don't plan on getting the latter two done, haha
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:57 <tommost> Well, just the first one would be cool.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:58 <chtr> indeed
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:58 <tommost> Did you ever look at the Verilog for the Elphel?
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:58 <chtr> briefly
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:59 <chtr> now that i have xilinx, i should sythesize it and flash the camera
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:59 <chtr> i'd be interested in figuring out the utilisation of the fpga
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:59 <tommost> Yeah.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:59 <chtr> and whether it'd be feasible to do anything to the image on the fpga
#rhrt: 01/14/09 22:59 <chtr> (removing perspective distortion would be the most logical)
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:00 <chtr> it's now been two years since i've done that, and i forget all what was involved
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:00 <tommost> Yeah, that would be useful.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:00 <chtr> i remember a lot of matricies...
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:00 <tommost> You should ask J.P. about it.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:00 <chtr> but i have no idea off the top of my head how to map that to an fpga
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:00 <chtr> i've still got my code from that class and the book, so i should be good if i get that far
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:00 <tommost> He's teaching Computer Vision again this year; I'm kinda tempted to take it except I haven't had linear algebra.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:01 <chtr> i hadn't either, i got by on taking de2 concurrently
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:01 <tommost> Yeah, I haven't had that either.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:01 <chtr> it's not too difficult of a class, just some of the math concepts warp your head some
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:02 <tommost> Yeah, I've already got PLC for that next quarter.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:02 <tommost> And last year I started to burn out at the end of the quarter, so I don't want to tax myself too much.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:02 <chtr> i think plc is considerably more work than vision
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:03 <chtr> i took vision as my fun class freshman year
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:03 <chtr> (along with networks, but that class just was tedious)
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:04 <tommost> Yeah, my attitude was not so much that it would be fun (aside from being J.P., of course) as that it would be necessary for the team next year.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:06 <chtr> yes, it would probably be helpful to have someone on the software team who has taken it
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:06 <chtr> though i think a lot of the stuff could be learned on your own
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:06 <chtr> plus, he posts all the course materials publically
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:06 <chtr> and the most applicable parts are getting rid of perspective distortion, and stereo
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:07 <tommost> I should tell one of the freshmen to take it.
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#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:15 <tommost> chtr: How's the remote AVR programming stuff coming?
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:16 <chtr> i haven't given it much thought, but it would just consist of a simple bootloader that listens for a CAN request to reprogram
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:17 <chtr> if it sees that in the first five or so seconds after reset, then it reads the messages and writes its flash
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:17 <chtr> if not, it just jumps over to the current program
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:17 <tommost> Can you remotely reset the chip, then?
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:21 <chtr> i don't think so
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:22 <tommost> So it'll require manual intervention?  I was envisioning you sshing into the robot and running a command to reprogram an AVR—it was cool.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:22 <chtr> well, there are ways to do that.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:28 <tommost> jboticsource seems to have disappeared without putting anything on that page.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:29 <jboticsource> I am here
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:29 <jboticsource> I am on the phone
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:29 <jboticsource> and have not done it yet
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:30 <tommost> Okay then.  See that you do. ;)
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:43 <jboticsource> tommost: what do you think of that?
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:44 <tommost> Awesome, thanks.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:44 <tommost> When will you be assembling the frame?
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:45 <jboticsource> when the pillow blocks are complete
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:45 <jboticsource> should be early next week
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:45 <jboticsource> some of them did not turn out as well as I wanted them to
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:46 <jboticsource> so we need to redo some
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:46 <jboticsource> but we have 3 that are really good
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:46 <jboticsource> we are going to build them in a much better faster way this time.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:47 <jboticsource> we will have some spares in case the sky falls
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:47 <jboticsource> ***shrug***
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:47 <tommost> Okay.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:49 <tommost> Do you have wheels for it?  Or were you intending to use the ones we already have?
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:50 <jboticsource> we are still in the process of finding them.  colin is emailing a company about them.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:50 <jboticsource> the sticking point is the keyway in the shaft
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:51 <jboticsource> boutell is going to make us a class for spring
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:52 <tommost> Awesome.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:52 <tommost> I should ask him about that.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:52 <jboticsource> we need to make a proposal to padgett
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:52 <jboticsource> auchter needs to make one
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:52 <jboticsource> for the EE team
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:53 <jboticsource> and I need to make one for the mech team
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:53 <jboticsource> but he basicly told me that we need the proposal for a paper trail
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:53 <jboticsource> and that he will get us what we need
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:53 <tommost> Okay.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:53 <jboticsource> so I am happy about that
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:53 <tommost> Awesome!
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:53 <tommost> Tell me if there's anything I can do.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:53 <jboticsource> ok
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:53 <tommost> I'm happy to edit, etc.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:54 <jboticsource> ok, I will keep that in mind
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:54 <jboticsource> I will probably make it towmarrow
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:54 <jboticsource> I just need to sit down and do it
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:54 <tommost> Finally, before I go back to Percopo, have you made any progress on making boxes?  I notice you were doing things with the computer.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:55 <jboticsource> we have not started on the box
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:55 <jboticsource> we want a robot to put the box on
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:55 <jboticsource> hence the frame
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:55 <tommost> Er, you should plan on the rack being on the test robot for the moment.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:55 <jboticsource> the reason why the computer is disturbed is that collin and I presented the legacy robot to the explore engineering kids per Dr. Munchlers request
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:55 <tommost> Ah. Okay.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:55 <jboticsource> on Tuesday night
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:56 <jboticsource> we are really working hard on the frame
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:56 <jboticsource> colling and I have spent several hours in the shop each day this week
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:56 <tommost> FYI, you should disconnect the power cord from the computers AC power supply in order to turn it off.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:56 <jboticsource> same with trenton
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:56 <tommost> Cool.  Yeah, Nick told me about a machine-a-thon or something.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:56 <jboticsource> will do
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:56 <jboticsource> we have had one every day
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:57 <jboticsource> and we are going to have them until it is done
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:57 <tommost> Colin should snap some pictures or something.
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:57 <jboticsource> we can prob do that
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:57 <jboticsource> I was not thinking of that
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:57 <jboticsource> I have a camera we could use
#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:58 <tommost> Okay, sounds good.  I'm gonna head back to Percopo now and get some sleep.  I'm tired of being sleep deprived this week. :-/
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#rhrt: 01/14/09 23:59 <jboticsource> he really should add "to percopo" to the end of that
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#rhrt: 01/15/09 11:54 <jboticsource1> we have an E-Stop button
#rhrt: 01/15/09 11:55 <jboticsource1> it was salvaged from some other project in the EE dept
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#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:51 <jboticsource> I just got ourself a hold of a camera for a real time structured light imagine system
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:51 <jboticsource> for free
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:51 <kleinjt> (obstacle detection)
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:52 <tommost> Where from?  Can it imagine rainbows?
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:52 <jboticsource> the EE dept got some sort of industrial machine that built diabetic strips
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:53 <jboticsource> it has some cameras in it for tolerence checking
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:53 <jboticsource> this is one of those cameras
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:53 <jboticsource> it is built by cognex
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:53 <jboticsource> it is a "in-sight 4000"
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:53 <jboticsource> it a 640*480 camera
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:53 <jboticsource> and it has ethernet
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:54 <jboticsource> it talks over rs-232
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:54 <jboticsource> and is 24 volt
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:55 <jboticsource> it uses C mount lenses
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:56 <jboticsource> it came off the same machine as our E-stop
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:56 <tommost> Oh, excellent.
#rhrt: 01/16/09 11:57 <chtr> oh, awesome
#rhrt: 01/16/09 12:00 <jboticsource> and we now have a start of a wiki page for it
#rhrt: 01/16/09 12:14 <jboticsource> http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200110/vision.htm
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#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:07 <jboticsource> tommost:  can you send out an email about tomorrow's meeting?
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:07 <jboticsource>  drill the hole in the legacy plate
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:08 <jboticsource> and make auchter's box
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:11 <tommost> It's at 3:00, right?
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:12 <jboticsource> yea
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:12 <jboticsource> I should be back on Sunday
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:12 <tommost> You won't be there?
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:14 <jboticsource> no, I am announing the lego tournament this week...
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:14 <jboticsource> I came up the wrong week.....
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:14 <tommost> Oh, yeah.
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:14 <jboticsource> I put like 3 hours in on mon,tues,and wed
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:14 <jboticsource> each day
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:14 <jboticsource> colin was there too
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:15 <jboticsource> and trenton was there on like mon and wed
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#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:21 <jboticsource1> btw colin actually got the e-stop button
#rhrt: 01/16/09 23:21 <jboticsource1> I got the camera
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#rhrt: 01/17/09 21:29 <jboticsource> tommost: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/linux-wiimote-via-bluetooth/
#rhrt: 01/17/09 21:31 <tommost> Yeah, I already know about that.
#rhrt: 01/17/09 21:32 <jboticsource> ok, I just saw the article.  just thought you may have wanted to see that
#rhrt: 01/17/09 21:32 <tommost> It's pretty easy to talk to with the Python bindings for cwiid.
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#rhrt: 01/18/09 14:50 <chtr> meeting
#rhrt: 01/18/09 14:50 <chtr> i should leave.
#rhrt: 01/18/09 14:52 <tommost> I'll be a few minutes late—I need to finish a lab.
#rhrt: 01/18/09 15:02 <andy753421> as will I
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#rhrt: 01/19/09 00:53 <jboticsource> I now have a 1.2 farad capasitor
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#rhrt: 01/19/09 11:00 <jboticsource> I got my optics advisor to help us with the optical scanning system
#rhrt: 01/19/09 11:00 <jboticsource> ftw
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#rhrt: 01/19/09 20:44 <jboticsource> I up dated the mechanical wiki to include the new robot design
#rhrt: 01/19/09 20:45 <jboticsource> (finially)
#rhrt: 01/19/09 20:47 <tommost> Great.
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#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:07 <jboticsource> this proposal that I am writing will go well in the technical part of our competition
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:09 <TheBrickWahl> jboticsource: is that the one for Padgett?
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:11 <jboticsource> yes
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:11 <jboticsource> it is a nice technical description
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:11 <jboticsource> or has excerpts that would work well for it
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:11 <jboticsource> at least
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:15 <jboticsource> on that note, chtr: how is the electrical proposal coming?
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:16 <chtr> jboticsource: remind me tomorrow evening and don't let me leave until it's done.
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:17 <jboticsource> ok
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:17 <jboticsource> I just cranked out two pages of mechanical goodness
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:18 <chtr> i doubt verbosity is what he's looking for...
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:19 <jboticsource> chtr: btw encoders are in your court
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:19 <jboticsource> and ask for the good ones :)
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:19 <chtr> i'm going to order them before i even do the proposal.
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:20 <jboticsource> but we could get tastier ones out of him maybe
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:20 <chtr> the ones i want are as good as we need.
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:20 <jboticsource> ok
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:20 <chtr> very high lifetime, good resolution, reasonably priced
#rhrt: 01/19/09 23:20 <jboticsource> have it your way
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#rhrt: 01/20/09 14:49 <jboticsource1> mixed news on the getting credit front
#rhrt: 01/20/09 14:49 <jboticsource1> it won't happen this year
#rhrt: 01/20/09 14:50 <jboticsource1> fisher wants "to do it right"
#rhrt: 01/20/09 14:50 <jboticsource1> and spend time with us
#rhrt: 01/20/09 14:50 <jboticsource1> but he can't next quarter
#rhrt: 01/20/09 14:50 <jboticsource1> he just does not have the time.
#rhrt: 01/20/09 14:50 <jboticsource1> fisher told me that it will happen
#rhrt: 01/20/09 14:50 <jboticsource1> and it is just a matter of him finding time
#rhrt: 01/20/09 14:51 <jboticsource1> one of the reasons why it is like this is that we are modeled after challenge X
#rhrt: 01/20/09 14:51 <jboticsource1> chambers spends 4 hours a weeks with CHX
#rhrt: 01/20/09 14:51 <jboticsource1> thus fisher wants to spend 4 hours a week with us, but he can't next quarter.  but he wants to in the fall
#rhrt: 01/20/09 14:52 <chtr> ok
#rhrt: 01/20/09 15:03 <jboticsource1> the good news is that he want to work with us and not just push paper.
#rhrt: 01/20/09 15:15 <tommost> Yeah, that's good.
#rhrt: 01/20/09 15:15 <tommost> Have you made sure he knows when the competition is?  Since he needs to come with us and all.
#rhrt: 01/20/09 15:16 <jboticsource1> oh giood point
#rhrt: 01/20/09 15:16 <jboticsource1> I will make sure that he knows about that stuff
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#rhrt: 01/20/09 17:55 <kleinjt> I forgot my student ID today, are any of y'all in the robotics lab?
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#rhrt: 01/20/09 18:38 <kleinjt> does spi_send in spi.c take care of all the spi sending stuff?
#rhrt: 01/20/09 18:39 <kleinjt> nevermind, I'm flipping through the avr datasheet. function is pretty small, if that does everything that is awesome
#rhrt: 01/20/09 18:43 <kleinjt> cool. it is
#rhrt: 01/20/09 18:52 <chtr> kleinjt: i'm in the lab
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#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:38 <tommost_addiator> andy753421: I've edited the mechanical team proposal.  You may want to take a look at it.
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:40 <chtr> kleinjt: which xbee should i add to the budget?
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:41 <kleinjt> xbee pro, whip antenna?
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:41 <chtr> link?
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#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:43 <kleinjt> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8876 if we could get sparkfun to pay for them
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:43 <kleinjt> an earlier series would work too
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:44 <chtr> is 1 mile range necessary?
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:45 <kleinjt> yes? it is a puny antenna and there will be lots of interference on 2.4GHz at the competition
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:45 <kleinjt> several teams used xbees, lots of routers
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:46 <chtr> ok, 2x?
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:46 <kleinjt> yep
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:50 <tommost_addiator> It would be nice if we had a wireless router on the robot.
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:50 <chtr> it'd be nice if that card was just capable of running as an AP
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:50 <tommost_addiator> Yeah. Ad-Hoc seems terribly unreliable.
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:50 <chtr> it shouldn't be..
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:51 <tommost_addiator> Only Andy can get it to work.
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:51 <chtr> hardware normally doesn't exhibit favouritism
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:51 <kleinjt> wrt54gl?
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:51 <chtr> https://rhitrobotics.org/svn/administrative/trunk/finance/Padgett%20Perposal/electronicsparts.ods
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:52 <chtr> i'm leaving, i'll be back in a bit.
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:52 <tommost_addiator> Yeah, somethign like that.  802.11n would be nice, though, as there'll be tons of people on the 2.5 Ghz spectrum at Oakland.
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:52 <chtr> kleinjt: add things as you see fit
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:52 <chtr> ooh, i've got an 802.11a access point...
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:53 <tommost_addiator> We should check whether we can get away with just a client for 802.11g.
#rhrt: 01/20/09 21:53 <tommost_addiator> We need it for JAUSj, but I'm not sure how it's supposed to be configured.
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#rhrt: 01/23/09 14:32 <jboticsource> we should build a robotic gun boat to hunt down somali pirates
#rhrt: 01/23/09 14:32 <jboticsource> or just a solar powered boat that could sail around the world
#rhrt: 01/23/09 14:32 <jboticsource> what if we could send the boat through the panama canal?
#rhrt: 01/23/09 14:33 <jboticsource> or we could build an autonimous boat, and rent out space on it for scientists to conduct experements on the ocean with it
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#rhrt: 01/23/09 16:02 <jboticsource> TheBrickWahl: happy Birthday
#rhrt: 01/23/09 16:03 <jboticsource> TheBrickWah1: happy birthday
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#rhrt: 01/23/09 16:29 <jboticsource> tommost: http://www.addedbytes.com/cheat-sheets/python-cheat-sheet/
#rhrt: 01/23/09 16:29 <jboticsource> it looks useful
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#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:42 <jboticsource> software?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:42 <tommost> The server must have gone down; even my screen session was gone.
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:42 <tommost> andy7534211?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:42 <tommost> Well, I did some programming-type stuff.
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:43 <tommost> I worked on the software for the GPS and MicroStrain.
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:43 <tommost> Both should be more robust now.
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:43 <tommost> i.e. not die when the device they're talking with disconnects.
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:45 <tommost> Any other stuff?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:45 <jboticsource> I want to get the proposal finialized by Thursday/Friday
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:45 <jboticsource> not that my tests are done for now. I should be able to knock that out.
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:45 <andy7534211> er, hey
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:46 <andy7534211> (just woke up)
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:47 <andy7534211> um.. another reminder that elections are coming up, we should set a date for them
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#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:48 <jboticsource> 2/10/09 ?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:51 <jboticsource> what do people think about doing elections on February 10?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:52 <andy7534211> i'm looking at that now
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:53 <tommost> Looks okay to me.
TheBrickWahl1: 01/27/09 19:54 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:54 <andy7534211> looks ok to me as well
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#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:57 <andy7534211> tom, can you send out an email after the meeting staying that we'll be having elections then?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:57 <tommost> Yeah.
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:57 <tommost> Are we done?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:57 <bamberad> I have a question for Aucter
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:57 <andy7534211> not quite yet
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:57 <bamberad> Auchter
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:57 <bamberad> I can spell
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:58 <tommost> He can't.  He's now known as chtr.
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:58 <chtr> yeah
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:58 <bamberad> Any preferences for what language I implement the can programmer software in?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:59 <chtr> nope, none at all.  you're just going to bitbang the parallel port then?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 19:59 <bamberad> pretty much
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:00 <andy7534211> wait, what does this software do?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:00 <bamberad> I thought I would probably design a board to hold the chip and get all of the right signals to it
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:00 <bamberad> but that's about it
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:00 <jboticsource> has the admin meeting concluded ?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:00 <andy7534211> no
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:00 <bamberad> It's just to program some of the CAN chips we have
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:00 <jboticsource> lets finish it then
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:00 <chtr> yeah, that'd be fine.  we've also got protoboard if it's not too complex
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:00 <bamberad> that might be easier
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:01 <andy7534211> ok, we should try to stick to a limited number of languages though
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:01 <chtr> agreed
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:01 <chtr> bamberad: what language did you have in mind?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:01 <andy7534211> python and C being the main two
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:01 <chtr> C using inb() and outb() would be easiest anyway
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:01 <bamberad> I was reading online that you have to peg a bunch of the lines on the parallel port to specific values to get software to interface with it correctly
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:02 <bamberad> so I'll try to figure that out and then do up a cable
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:02 <bamberad> C will probably work just fine
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:02 <chtr> ok,  if you've got any questions or need any help with it, let me know
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:02 <bamberad> Sounds good
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:03 <bamberad> I should be good then
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:03 <chtr> (i'm trying to download the datasheet now...)
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:03 <bamberad> I posted it on the wiki
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:03 <tommost> What exactly is this programmer for?  Don't you already have an avr programmer?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:03 <bamberad> or a link to it at least
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:03 <chtr> tommost: for programming the CAN io expanders.
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:03 <tommost> Ah.
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:03 <andy7534211> ok, back to elections, i'll have specifics on the procedures next week, and then elections will be the week after that
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:04 <bamberad> they're CAN chips that work without a microcontroller
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:04 <chtr> andy7534211: ok, sounds good
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:04 <jboticsource> nifty
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:04 <andy7534211> does anyone else have anything for the admin meeting?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:04 <chtr> nope
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:04 <tommost> Okay.  Anything else I should put in the e-mail?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:05 <andy7534211> alright, I don't think so
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:05 <andy7534211> we're done then
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#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:09 <tommost> andy7534211: Nominations must be done next week, right?
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:09 <andy7534211> according to the constitution, they're done at the same meeting as elections
#rhrt: 01/27/09 20:10 <andy7534211> Section 3: Nominations --  At the election meeting, the members shall submit the name of at least one active member for each office.
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#rhrt: 01/28/09 06:33 <jboticsource1> by the way, if anybody wants an introduction to percise path at the career fair, I will be happy to do that.
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#rhrt: 01/28/09 08:14 <tommost> http://entitycrisis.blogspot.com/2009/01/giant-python-powered-robots.html
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tommost: 01/28/09 12:51 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back."
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#rhrt: 01/28/09 16:46 <chtr> mmk, the board is dremeled out
#rhrt: 01/28/09 16:48 <tommost> Cool.
#rhrt: 01/28/09 16:48 <chtr> i'll populate them tomorrow evening
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#rhrt: 01/28/09 20:05 <tommost> andy753421: Are you going to be at the meeting tonight?
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#rhrt: 01/28/09 21:06 <andy753421> yea, on on my way
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#rhrt: 01/28/09 21:58 <tommost> andy753421: Anything happening?
#rhrt: 01/28/09 21:58 <andy753421> nope, i'm the only one here
#rhrt: 01/28/09 21:58 <andy753421> i put the parts back in the box
#rhrt: 01/28/09 21:59 <andy753421> chtr:  you should put the wires back on at some point
#rhrt: 01/28/09 21:59 <andy753421> as I don't know where they all go
#rhrt: 01/28/09 21:59 <chtr> mmk
#rhrt: 01/28/09 21:59 <chtr> i'll do that tomorrow
#rhrt: 01/28/09 21:59 <chtr> i plan on working after LUG
#rhrt: 01/28/09 21:59 <andy753421> alright
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#rhrt: 01/28/09 22:37 <tommost> andy753421: Getting anything done?
#rhrt: 01/28/09 22:38 <andy753421> er, i put the box back together and then got angry at mathematicians again
#rhrt: 01/28/09 22:38 <tommost> Ah.
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#rhrt: 01/29/09 13:38 <chtr> andy753421: nice job on putting the computer in the box
#rhrt: 01/29/09 13:38 <chtr> the only thing i might look into changing is one of the zip-tie parts that might interfere with the CPU fan when it's closed
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#rhrt: 01/29/09 21:14 <chtr> tommost: i broke apart all the planes that were connected and shouldn't have been
#rhrt: 01/29/09 21:14 <chtr> the two surface mount chips are mounted
#rhrt: 01/29/09 21:14 <chtr> though i wasn't able to really solder the back tab all that well, sadly
#rhrt: 01/29/09 21:15 <chtr> i've got to get the other chips populated, but it should work sunday
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#rhrt: 01/29/09 21:19 <tommost> Great.
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#rhrt: 01/29/09 21:59 <jboticsource1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTxW3GWZ5hI
tommost: 01/29/09 22:02 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back."
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#rhrt: 01/29/09 23:28 <jboticsource1> we need a roomba battle league
#rhrt: 01/29/09 23:30 <jboticsource1> we need like chainsaws and flippers etc.
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#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:51 <andy753421> ssl is a pain
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:51 <andy753421> also, rhitrobotics.org ran out of entropy
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:53 <chtr> hm, how did that happen?
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:54 <andy753421> i tried to generate to many ssl certificates and used it all up
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:54 <chtr> ah.  go pound on the keyboard a bit, that usually helps ;)
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:54 <andy753421> what's the correct combination of openssl flags for that anyway?
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:54 <andy753421> i wonder if I cat urandom to /dev/input/* if it'll help ;)
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:54 <chtr> i've never used openssl for that, oddly enough
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:55 <chtr> i thought it was based on the time of the keypresses
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:55 <chtr> anyway, that's just one of the entropy sources
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:55 <andy753421> maybe, i don't know
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:56 <andy753421> it apparently doensn't have a hardware entropy device because rngd won't start
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:57 <chtr> the man page for rngd doesn't sound like it needs hardware...
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:57 <andy753421> `rngd - Check and feed random data from hardware device to kernel random device' ?
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:57 <chtr> the -o option lets you specify an alternative source, but i missed the hardware part the first time
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:58 <chtr> we should build an entropy generator
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:58 <chtr> i'v ebeen wanting to
#rhrt: 01/30/09 01:58 <chtr> webcam + americium
#rhrt: 01/30/09 02:05 <andy753421> to bad this isn't plan 9, then i could just mount my own random number generator
#rhrt: 01/30/09 02:05 <andy753421> i suppose I could just generate certs on my laptop..
#rhrt: 01/30/09 02:06 <chtr> yay ioctls
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#rhrt: 01/30/09 16:36 <chtr> kleinjt: do we have any 28-pin sockets?
#rhrt: 01/30/09 16:37 <kleinjt> so, we stick 2 14 pin sockets in series...
#rhrt: 01/30/09 16:37 <kleinjt> s/so/no/
#rhrt: 01/30/09 16:37 <chtr> i'm going to switch it up and use a 20 and an 8
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