#rhrt: 04/01/10 00:18 wahlnj: No, another Elphel is just budget padding. #rhrt: 04/01/10 00:19 And if we did the lawnmower competition, I think it would need to be instead of IGVC. #rhrt: 04/01/10 00:19 Most of the things I mentioned aren't actually for me. #rhrt: 04/01/10 00:19 Also, we could really use a portable server for taking to competitions. #rhrt: 04/01/10 00:19 I can try to spec that out. #rhrt: 04/01/10 00:20 It'd be a tiny mini-ITX box, probably in a NAS case. boysenberry: 04/01/10 00:45 >< NICK : lingonberry compuwizard123_: 04/01/10 01:07 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 248 seconds Compuwizard123: 04/01/10 01:23 >< JOIN : #rhrt Compuwizard123: 04/01/10 01:24 >< NICK : compuwizard123_ wahlnj1: 04/01/10 01:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/01/10 01:29 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 248 seconds wahlnj1: 04/01/10 01:33 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/01/10 01:35 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/01/10 03:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/01/10 03:15 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 264 seconds wahlnj1: 04/01/10 03:30 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/01/10 03:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/01/10 03:36 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/01/10 03:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/01/10 04:01 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/01/10 04:02 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/01/10 04:09 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/01/10 04:11 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/01/10 04:24 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/01/10 04:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/01/10 04:36 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/01/10 04:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/01/10 04:59 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/01/10 05:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/01/10 05:12 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/01/10 05:14 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 248 seconds wahlnj: 04/01/10 05:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/01/10 05:54 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 248 seconds wahlnj1: 04/01/10 06:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/01/10 06:33 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 248 seconds wahlnj: 04/01/10 07:22 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/01/10 07:23 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 248 seconds wahlnj1: 04/01/10 07:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/01/10 07:51 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 248 seconds wahlnj: 04/01/10 08:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/01/10 08:33 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 248 seconds wahlnj: 04/01/10 09:47 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/01/10 09:49 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/01/10 10:32 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! 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#rhrt: 04/01/10 18:43 wahlnj1, tommost_ wahlnj1: 04/01/10 18:45 >< NICK : robominator #rhrt: 04/01/10 18:46 kleinjt: will that suffice? #rhrt: 04/01/10 18:46 yeah. robominator: 04/01/10 18:47 >< NICK : wahlnj wahlnj: 04/01/10 18:50 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer tommost: 04/01/10 18:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/01/10 18:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/01/10 20:35 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/01/10 20:35 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 252 seconds wahlnj1: 04/01/10 20:51 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/01/10 20:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/01/10 21:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/01/10 23:27 wahlnj: that good enough? #rhrt: 04/01/10 23:27 need any more from me? #rhrt: 04/01/10 23:30 Put this on the budget: http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1292217&cp=2568450.2628076.2628237.2629143A #rhrt: 04/01/10 23:31 erm, the propane grill? #rhrt: 04/01/10 23:32 No, the center punch. #rhrt: 04/01/10 23:34 your link took me to their home page.. #rhrt: 04/01/10 23:34 Gaaah. #rhrt: 04/01/10 23:35 Budget $8 or so for a center punch. #rhrt: 04/01/10 23:35 It shows up as "$4.79 to $5.79" on their site, whatever that means. #rhrt: 04/01/10 23:36 or budget a couple of hundred for a grill #rhrt: 04/01/10 23:36 I'm working on specing the server right now. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:13 We also need to buy an inverter. robominator: 04/02/10 00:24 >< PART #rhrt: #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:30 send me or Ryan (or preferably both) any items with prices by 9:00 #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:31 that applies to everyone #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:33 9:00 a.m. or p.m.? andy753421: 04/02/10 00:40 >< QUIT : Remote host closed the connection #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:44 and yes, i can pick out some antennas #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:44 Goodie. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:44 anything else? #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:44 do we have multimeters on there? #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:44 I haven't picked out multimeters; you could do that better than I. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:45 do you want a link as well? i woudl assume so #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:45 Yeah. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:45 how much should i pad this? #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:46 in all honesty, 1 or 2 ~$15 meters would do the job #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:46 I'd spec $20 ones at least. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:46 And say three? #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:46 i would #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:46 sounds good #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:46 If you ask for n of something, you typically get n - 2. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:48 lets then ask for 4 of these http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/8366 #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:48 those are actually decent looking ones, in all honesty i would likely get 1 of those and 2-3 of these http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/8747 #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:49 im assuming they give you the money and you spend it on what you want? there isnt much matching to the budget? #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:49 You can "reallocate" it. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:49 So you can spend it on something similar, or related. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:49 For example, our budget had money for a CF card which we spent on an SSD. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:50 okay #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:50 Generic things like "adhesives" tend to be anything from duct tape to epoxy to paint. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:50 I don't know what they've put in those categories. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:50 wahlnj: You awake? #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:51 prehaps a few XBees at the rate we break them? #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:51 Oh, definitely. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:51 Although we should really stop breaking them... #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:52 we should #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:52 This okay? #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:52 the antenna one is fixable #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:52 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812120304 #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:52 no. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:53 you wont be able to draw that much current through a cigarette lighter conenction, id get one that you can swap out with battery clips #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:53 such as... #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:53 http://www.amazon.com/Vector-VEC024B-Vector%C2%AE-Power-Inverter/dp/B000LUTTNI #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:53 more versitle #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:53 what is this one for? #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:54 id put on some of these http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8691 #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:54 the chip antenna ones will likely work well for our purposes #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:54 Running the camera, and the server in the car. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:54 ya, go with the one i linked to #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:55 or this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00152JP4E/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000LUTTNI&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1MDKT3VVYKYS04A68RK4 #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:55 holy shit url #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:55 that is the one i have #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:55 its the older version, i guess? #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:55 looks easier to mount and connect to #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:55 Yeah, I trust inverters made of metal more. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:55 ACTION glares at his PoS Black & Decker #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:55 ya go with that one #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:56 ive had mine for a whiel, its taken a beating and its fine #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:56 let me find a wifi antenna for the router #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:58 anyone have any idea what connector is on there? #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:58 There isn't one. #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:58 oh right #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:58 hmm #rhrt: 04/02/10 00:58 Also look for a directional one for when we're at the competition. andy753421: 04/02/10 00:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:00 How many of those XBees? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:00 ideally we would get a router with a nice antenna, and then a directional antenna to connect to someones laptop? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:00 yes/no? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:00 Yes, that would be nice. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:01 I could use my router this summer... #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:01 or prehaps a repearter/bridge to connect multiple laptops? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:01 Nah, I'd prefer a router. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:01 on the other end #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:02 Thing is, everyone at the competition has a router, so the spectrum is really crowded. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:02 The directional antenna is to point at the coffee shop. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:02 oh #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:02 So we'd actually use wired in the pit. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:02 Wireless is for when the robot is moving. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:02 okay #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:03 somone actually sells a manufactured cantenna #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:03 wtf? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:03 Count on the XBees? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:03 oh sorry #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:03 um #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:03 id say we really need 1 or 2, we have to replace kleinjt's #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:04 so 3-4 #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:04 Okay, I'll put 3. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:04 4 seems excessive, since they're $26 ea. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:04 sounds good #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:05 how directional of an antenna do you want? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:06 http://www.cyberguys.com/product-details/?productid=40478&sk=MC71419&cm_mmc=Google%20Product%20Search-_-Feed-_-CSE-_-Text #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:06 and when they give us less money if we really need it, dealextreme has one thats about $20 that looks decent #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:06 That looks good to me. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:07 http://www.gigaparts.com/store.php?action=profile&sku=NW0054 #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:07 a bit cheaper, if you want #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:07 We actually have LOS to the coffee shop; the environment is just so harsh that we can't see it at the other end of the field. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:07 ah #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:07 put some tin foil behind a dipole #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:07 make a corner reflector #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:08 We have a little USB wifi adapter that we can plug the antenna into. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:08 nice #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:09 does anyone use non-us channels? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:09 So we should grab a 15 ft. USB cable. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:09 TBoneULS: No idea. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:12 anything else you need me to find #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:12 you going to find the usb cable? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:12 Yeah, I'll get the cable. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:12 The router and omnidirectional antenna? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:12 shit #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:12 i keep getting distracted #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:12 and itred #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:12 tired #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:14 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190 #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:14 always a good choice, can run ddwrt #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:14 and removable antennas #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:14 Okay. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:15 could get an amplifier #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:15 though that would be douchey #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:22 Oh, wire? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:23 Spec some wire? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:26 wire for what? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:27 random wire, we'll figure out what we need later/when we need it? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:27 i can do that quickly #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:27 Yeah, I guess so. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:27 You know better than I what we'd need. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:27 i really have no clue #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:27 I think we usually have a generic "wire" fund pool. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:27 ya #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:27 So maybe it's not necessary. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:28 i can spec some stuff out easily #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:28 pick some colors from here #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:28  #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:28 errrrr #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:28 http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/category/825450/Wire-/-Cable/Hook-Up-100-Rolls-/1.html #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:29 Red black yellow white. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:29 Done.' #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:29 and some of this #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:29 http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/WRB-12/12-AWG-RED/BLACK-ZIP-WIRE/-/1.html #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:29 add green #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:29 Oh, and a spool of CAT-5 would be handy. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:30 What gauge should this be? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:31 for the hookup wire? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:31 Yeah. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:31 18 and 20, maybe 22? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:31 Oh, and those transformers you wanted? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:31 Er, how many of each? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:31 ? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:32 1 spool, its 100ft long #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:32 The AC -> 12V DC things. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:32 http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Eforcity-Wi-Fi-Booster-Antenna-for-D-link-Linksys-Netgear/4425090/product.html?rcmndsrc=2 looks like an acceptable antenna, will need an adapter with that one though #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:32 oh #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:32 yes #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:33 when do we get access to this budget? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:34 The summer. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:34 Or maybe sooner, but I know by the summer. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:34 What's this adapter needed for the booster antenna? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:35 Heh, they sell a 2-pack for $7.50. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:36 http://www.overstock.com/4486174/product.html Doesn't that router have two antennas? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:37 it does, get 2 #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:37 though you dont necessarily need 2 #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:37 im lookin at battery chargers and stuff #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:37 mpja is being a bitch #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:41 i have no idea what to do for that #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:41 Well, we already have two of the chargers. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:41 Granted, one has been disassembled. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:41 Also, we should really take advantage of that sponsorship to get boards made... #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:41 yes we should #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:42 http://www.nextwarehouse.com/item/?13264_g10e #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:42 put that down #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:42 its exessive, but close to what we might need #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:42 do we have money for more powerpoles? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:43 thats always good #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:43 do we have any spare relays? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:43 Oh, yes, we should definitely get some more connectors. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:43 I don't know about relays. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:43 I think we bought some at some point for the killswitch. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:44 mpja has good ones, but appears to be down #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:44 put down $50? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:44 For connectors and relays? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:44 im not sure how much hand waving they will accept before cutting it #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:44 relays #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:44 ill send you some connector links #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:44 do you know what current rating the ones we use are? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:45 No, sorry. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:45 ill guess #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:45 http://www.powerwerx.com/anderson-powerpoles/powerpole-sets/sb120-sb-series-120-amp.html #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:45 at the very least #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:46 pick a few colors and get 4-6 ish of them #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:46 We already have a few of those. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:46 a few more cant hurt? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:46 Sure. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:46 Er, I'll just get them all in red I think. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:46 i dont know if we have new pins for them, either #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:47 works for me #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:47 Yeah, we do need pins. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:47 They're kinda hard to solder and desolder... #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:47 get some of these #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:47 http://www.powerwerx.com/anderson-powerpoles/housings-contacts/pp120-sb120-loose-piece-contact.html #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:47 soldering? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:47 those should be crimped #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:47 Well, we blowtorched them. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:47 though that is a bitch... #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:48 but ya get some replacement pins #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:48 i think those are the right size #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:48 There was an attempt at crimping, but it was unsuccessful. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:48 the 175 might be the ones we are using #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:48 lets get a crimper #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:49 And some wire strippers... #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:49 http://www.powerwerx.com/tools-meters/oem-t-ratchet-crimping-tool.html and http://www.powerwerx.com/tools-meters/tricrimp-crimping-powerpole-contacts.html #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:49 get those #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:49 though they dont go as large as some of our powerpoles #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:50 most of our powepoles? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:50 that will make those connections more reliable #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:53 Wire strippers? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:53 The little ones have disappeared, I think they were kleinjt's. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:53 crimpers #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:54 oh do we want some? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:54 Assuming the little ones were kleinjt's, the only pair we have is crappy. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:54 ohold on #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:55 javascript:replacement('Paladin%20Tools|70057'); #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:55 shit #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:55 http://www.tequipment.net/replacement.asp?replacement=Paladin%20Tools|70057 #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:56 and http://www.tequipment.net/PaladinTools1105.html #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:56 2 each #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:56 okay, i need to sleep #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:56 anything else pressing? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:56 all of these things are very good ideas #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:57 I can't think of anything more, but send anything else you think of by 9:00 to wahlnj. #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:58 k #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:58 You want both of those wire strippers? #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:59 http://www.tequipment.net/PaladinTools1118.html and http://www.tequipment.net/PaladinTools1117.html #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:59 get those instead #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:59 and yes, 2 of each of those #rhrt: 04/02/10 01:59 they are for different guage #rhrt: 04/02/10 02:06 Okay, I sent it to wahlnj and Ryan. tommost: 04/02/10 02:06 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj: 04/02/10 03:35 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/02/10 03:37 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/02/10 07:56 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/02/10 07:58 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/02/10 08:26 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/02/10 08:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/02/10 12:12 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/02/10 12:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/02/10 12:48 the budget is at $5200 right now #rhrt: 04/02/10 12:48 without the Elphel for padding or the computer #rhrt: 04/02/10 12:51 we still have money in this year's budget for a crimping tool, wire strippers, inverter, and soldering supplies, so I think I'm going to take those out of next year's budget #rhrt: 04/02/10 12:52 I'll put the computer in, but that will likely be cut #rhrt: 04/02/10 12:53 we still have $2600 left in this year's budget, so we should spend that wahlnj1: 04/02/10 13:05 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/02/10 13:05 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/02/10 13:06 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 252 seconds #rhrt: 04/02/10 13:07 wahlnj1: If you're still taking suggestions, we need a chisel (for cutting mounting holes) and a ball hammer to go with it (unless there's one I just haven't seen). #rhrt: 04/02/10 13:07 well, I've got about $360 waiting to be refunded.. wahlnj1: 04/02/10 13:11 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/02/10 13:12 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/02/10 14:20 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost_rhv: 04/02/10 14:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/02/10 14:38 >< QUIT : Client Quit wahlnj: 04/02/10 14:58 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer tommost_: 04/02/10 15:05 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. hulettbh: 04/02/10 19:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/02/10 19:40 kleinjt: I hear you want to make a weather ballon that takes high altitude pics #rhrt: 04/02/10 19:49 i was actually looking to doing something like that myself this summer. just wanted to see if you had any brilliant ideas hulettbh: 04/02/10 19:50 >< QUIT : Quit: leaving hulettbh: 04/02/10 19:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/02/10 19:52 not particularlly. #rhrt: 04/02/10 19:52 I've got an SVN repo with sources and a flight computer board if you'd like to check it out #rhrt: 04/02/10 19:56 I #rhrt: 04/02/10 19:58 http://tarsonis.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu/hf_beacon_top.bmp , http://tarsonis.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu/hf_beacon_bot.bmp for shiny renderings of the board.. #rhrt: 04/02/10 19:58 basically, HF beacon, header for gps, eeprom, and temp sensor #rhrt: 04/02/10 20:07 If you haven't already found it, the UK high altitude society is one of the better resources. Their site is http://ukhas.org.uk/ #rhrt: 04/02/10 20:09 their IRC channel is on freenode, #highaltitude . I've been lurking there for about the past year. Lots of interesting discussion. #rhrt: 04/02/10 20:22 i havent looked into it much yet, thats all great, thanks #rhrt: 04/02/10 20:23 http://vpaste.net/yoESQ is a fairly unorganized dump of information I've been maintaining for the past few months #rhrt: 04/02/10 20:24 also incoherent, apparently andy753421: 04/02/10 20:25 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. andy753421: 04/02/10 20:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt hulettbh: 04/02/10 21:06 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds hulettbh: 04/02/10 21:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt hulettbh: 04/02/10 23:35 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds hulettbh: 04/02/10 23:37 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/03/10 02:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 04/03/10 14:45 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. andy753421: 04/03/10 14:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost1: 04/03/10 19:16 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/03/10 19:16 >< QUIT : Disconnected by services tommost1: 04/03/10 19:16 >< NICK : tommost hulettbh: 04/04/10 13:43 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 252 seconds hulettbh: 04/04/10 13:44 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost1: 04/04/10 22:09 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/04/10 22:09 >< QUIT : Disconnected by services tommost1: 04/04/10 22:09 >< NICK : tommost tommost: 04/04/10 22:24 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer tommost: 04/04/10 22:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt hulettbh: 04/05/10 00:45 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds hulettbh: 04/05/10 00:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/05/10 04:25 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds tommost: 04/05/10 04:25 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/05/10 14:25 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds tommost: 04/05/10 15:40 >< JOIN : #rhrt hulettbh: 04/05/10 19:12 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 264 seconds hulettbh: 04/05/10 19:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/05/10 20:33 kleinjt: So how's that killswitch board coming? tommost: 04/05/10 20:35 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! 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One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost_xp: 04/10/10 00:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/10/10 00:52 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/10/10 00:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_xp: 04/10/10 03:41 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. tommost: 04/10/10 03:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt hulettbh: 04/10/10 03:51 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds hulettbh: 04/10/10 03:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/10/10 04:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/10/10 04:40 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj: 04/10/10 04:58 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/10/10 05:01 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/10/10 05:32 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/10/10 05:34 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/10/10 07:02 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/10/10 07:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/10/10 08:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/10/10 08:14 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj1: 04/10/10 11:22 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/10/10 11:23 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 04/10/10 14:23 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds andy753421: 04/10/10 15:29 >< JOIN : #rhrt rthc: 04/10/10 16:06 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds rthc: 04/10/10 16:09 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/10/10 16:47 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/10/10 16:49 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/10/10 18:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/10/10 19:00 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 264 seconds wahlnj: 04/10/10 19:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/10/10 19:47 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 248 seconds #rhrt: 04/10/10 19:52 meeting tomorrow for whoever is back at Rose? #rhrt: 04/10/10 19:52 I'd like to start figuring out the logistics of the competition hulettbh: 04/10/10 20:41 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds hulettbh: 04/10/10 20:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/10/10 20:50 I won't be there. #rhrt: 04/10/10 22:21 I am planning on coming to the competition, though. wahlnj1: 04/10/10 22:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/11/10 00:08 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. tommost: 04/11/10 01:03 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds tommost: 04/11/10 01:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/11/10 01:37 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/11/10 01:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/11/10 02:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/11/10 02:16 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj1: 04/11/10 02:52 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/11/10 02:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/11/10 03:36 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/11/10 03:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/11/10 07:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/11/10 07:31 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds hulettbh: 04/11/10 07:35 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 265 seconds hulettbh: 04/11/10 07:36 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/11/10 07:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/11/10 07:51 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 248 seconds hulettbh: 04/11/10 09:09 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds #rhrt: 04/11/10 10:44 kleinjt_: are you back at Rose? #rhrt: 04/11/10 10:53 wahlnj: yes, I can make it to the meeting #rhrt: 04/11/10 10:53 I likely won't be able to make it to the competition #rhrt: 04/11/10 11:10 I don't think we'll have a meeting then if Trenton and I are the only people going to the competition that can make it robominator: 04/11/10 12:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/11/10 13:05 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/11/10 13:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/11/10 14:16 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! 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One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost: 04/12/10 10:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/12/10 11:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/12/10 11:31 wahlnj, robominator: So we have figured out how much is left in our budget in each of the categories? #rhrt: 04/12/10 11:31 i was wondering something similar.. #rhrt: 04/12/10 11:31 If so, we should start buying the things we need. #rhrt: 04/12/10 11:31 It takes forever for SGA to reimburse, so best get it done with quickly. tommost: 04/12/10 11:42 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! #rhrt: 04/12/10 11:55 we do have the budget now, and we still have about $2600 according to what they sent us #rhrt: 04/12/10 11:55 a lot of that will go to the competition travel, but we still have a lot to spend #rhrt: 04/12/10 14:30 I've got about $350 pending.. tommost: 04/12/10 15:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/12/10 16:34 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! 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One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost: 04/13/10 12:58 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost1: 04/13/10 13:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/13/10 13:00 >< QUIT : Disconnected by services tommost1: 04/13/10 13:00 >< NICK : tommost wahlnj1: 04/13/10 14:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/13/10 14:16 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj1: 04/13/10 14:34 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/13/10 14:34 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/13/10 14:51 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/13/10 14:52 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/13/10 14:53 Budget status? wahlnj: 04/13/10 15:02 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/13/10 15:03 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/13/10 15:18 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost: 04/13/10 15:23 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/13/10 16:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/13/10 16:08 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds tommost: 04/13/10 16:25 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj1: 04/13/10 16:39 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/13/10 16:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/13/10 16:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/13/10 16:48 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/13/10 17:16 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/13/10 17:18 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds tommost: 04/13/10 17:20 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/13/10 17:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/13/10 17:22 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/13/10 17:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/13/10 17:26 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/13/10 17:45 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/13/10 17:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/13/10 18:34 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/13/10 18:35 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/13/10 18:38 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/13/10 18:40 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/13/10 18:46 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj: 04/13/10 18:59 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/13/10 19:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/13/10 19:09 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/13/10 19:11 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/13/10 20:31 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/13/10 20:32 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds tommost: 04/13/10 23:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/13/10 23:23 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/13/10 23:24 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj1: 04/13/10 23:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/13/10 23:40 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds tommost: 04/14/10 00:01 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost: 04/14/10 00:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/14/10 00:14 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 00:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 01:09 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 01:11 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 01:23 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 01:25 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 01:45 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 01:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 02:34 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 02:35 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 03:15 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 08:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/14/10 09:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 09:25 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds robominator: 04/14/10 10:20 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/14/10 10:20 tommost: where we doing wednesday meetings still? #rhrt: 04/14/10 10:20 s/where/were/ wahlnj: 04/14/10 10:36 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/14/10 10:38 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/14/10 11:03 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 11:04 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds #rhrt: 04/14/10 11:12 robominator: I wasn't planning on doing one this week, sadly. #rhrt: 04/14/10 11:12 I'm too busy with other work. #rhrt: 04/14/10 11:14 saturday morning though? #rhrt: 04/14/10 11:15 i was invited to trees saturday, but i care more about this getting done than i do about the environment wahlnj1: 04/14/10 11:17 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 11:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 11:22 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 11:25 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/14/10 11:31 tommost: saturday? #rhrt: 04/14/10 11:31 11:00 -- 1:00 #rhrt: 04/14/10 11:32 the entirety of lunch time? :( wahlnj: 04/14/10 11:33 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 11:33 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/14/10 12:05 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 12:06 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds tommost_rhv: 04/14/10 12:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/14/10 12:58 >< PART #rhrt: wahlnj: 04/14/10 13:36 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/14/10 13:36 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj: 04/14/10 13:47 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 13:48 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/14/10 14:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 14:08 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj: 04/14/10 14:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/14/10 14:29 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds #rhrt: 04/14/10 14:30 What is the status of the killswitch? Can the robot be driven? wahlnj: 04/14/10 14:41 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 14:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/14/10 16:17 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. tommost_rhv: 04/14/10 16:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 16:35 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 16:36 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 17:20 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 17:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 17:26 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 17:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/14/10 18:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 18:01 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 258 seconds wahlnj: 04/14/10 18:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/14/10 18:22 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 258 seconds wahlnj: 04/14/10 18:30 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 18:31 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/14/10 18:42 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. tommost_rhv: 04/14/10 18:52 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/14/10 18:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/14/10 18:56 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj: 04/14/10 18:56 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 258 seconds wahlnj1: 04/14/10 19:05 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 19:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/14/10 19:12 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. wahlnj: 04/14/10 19:18 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer tommost: 04/14/10 19:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 19:20 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/14/10 19:52 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/14/10 20:05 tommost_rhv: it isn't working, the problem is likely the xbee. #rhrt: 04/14/10 20:05 I'm guessing somebody tried transmitting after cramming it into the case with a broken off antenna, or stuck in the batteries the wrong way. #rhrt: 04/14/10 20:05 so, at any rate, we're down another xbee. #rhrt: 04/14/10 20:06 er.. s/with a broken off antenna/breaking off the antenna/ #rhrt: 04/14/10 20:06 I tried soldering on another antenna, it still does not work. #rhrt: 04/14/10 20:07 >.< #rhrt: 04/14/10 20:07 transmitting radios without antennas connected is bad, and giving radios the wrong polairty voltage is bad. I'm guessing one or both of these happened. #rhrt: 04/14/10 20:10 I'll bring my last reserve xbee and fix it tomorrow. If somebody breaks that too, I'm giving up. tommost_rhv: 04/14/10 20:12 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. wahlnj: 04/14/10 20:32 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 20:34 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/14/10 21:09 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/14/10 21:37 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. wahlnj: 04/14/10 21:58 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 22:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 23:16 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/14/10 23:17 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/14/10 23:21 kleinjt_: you should go ahead and order however many replacement xbees you need, the club will pay for them wahlnj1: 04/14/10 23:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/14/10 23:34 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds #rhrt: 04/14/10 23:53 kleinjt_: i would have to guess the xbee wouldnt be fried if someone transmitted without an antenna #rhrt: 04/14/10 23:54 my gut feeling is that it could handle that, but i could be wrong wahlnj1: 04/15/10 00:27 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 00:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/15/10 00:31 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj: 04/15/10 00:34 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 00:36 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 00:37 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 00:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/15/10 00:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 04/15/10 01:09 >< QUIT : Remote host closed the connection andy753421: 04/15/10 01:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 01:26 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 01:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 01:58 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 01:58 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/15/10 02:17 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 02:19 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj: 04/15/10 02:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/15/10 02:47 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj: 04/15/10 02:53 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 02:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 03:17 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 08:57 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/15/10 09:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/15/10 09:39 tommost: how much interest is there in saturday's meeting? #rhrt: 04/15/10 09:39 so much interest #rhrt: 04/15/10 09:40 i was invited on a hike, i like hiking #rhrt: 04/15/10 09:40 I'll come after TREES, there's still plenty to get done #rhrt: 04/15/10 09:40 i'm talking about the other meeting #rhrt: 04/15/10 09:41 what other meeting? #rhrt: 04/15/10 09:41 software #rhrt: 04/15/10 09:41 oh #rhrt: 04/15/10 10:19 wahlnj: would a say, 3:30 meeting be okay? wahlnj: 04/15/10 10:20 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 10:22 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 10:24 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 10:25 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/15/10 10:27 >< PART #rhrt: wahlnj1: 04/15/10 10:37 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 10:39 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/15/10 10:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/15/10 10:49 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/15/10 11:31 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 11:32 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/15/10 11:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/15/10 11:56 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds tommost_rhv: 04/15/10 12:20 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 12:20 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 12:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/15/10 12:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 12:32 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/15/10 13:02 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 13:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 13:18 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 13:18 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 13:43 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 13:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/15/10 15:02 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. tommost: 04/15/10 15:13 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost: 04/15/10 15:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/15/10 15:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 15:43 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds tommost1: 04/15/10 15:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/15/10 15:45 >< QUIT : Disconnected by services tommost1: 04/15/10 15:45 >< NICK : tommost wahlnj1: 04/15/10 15:53 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 15:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 16:10 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 16:11 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/15/10 16:18 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj: 04/15/10 16:46 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 16:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/15/10 17:22 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 17:24 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 264 seconds wahlnj1: 04/15/10 17:36 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 17:37 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 18:21 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 18:22 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/15/10 19:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/15/10 21:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/15/10 21:32 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 264 seconds wahlnj: 04/15/10 22:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/15/10 22:15 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj: 04/15/10 22:18 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/15/10 22:20 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/15/10 23:01 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost: 04/15/10 23:20 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 00:25 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 00:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/16/10 00:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 00:40 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj: 04/16/10 01:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/16/10 01:08 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj1: 04/16/10 01:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 01:15 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj: 04/16/10 01:29 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/16/10 01:29 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj1: 04/16/10 02:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 02:39 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj: 04/16/10 03:08 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/16/10 03:08 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/16/10 03:48 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 03:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/16/10 07:03 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 07:06 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/16/10 07:10 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/16/10 07:10 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/16/10 08:38 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 08:41 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 08:47 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 08:48 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/16/10 09:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 09:25 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/16/10 09:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/16/10 09:32 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/16/10 09:40 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 09:41 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/16/10 10:15 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/16/10 10:17 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/16/10 10:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 10:26 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/16/10 11:16 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 11:18 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 11:25 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 11:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 12:57 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 12:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 13:08 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 13:09 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/16/10 14:43 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 14:49 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 14:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/16/10 14:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 14:58 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 14:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 15:13 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 15:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 15:18 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 15:20 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/16/10 15:37 >< PART #rhrt: wahlnj: 04/16/10 15:53 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 15:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 04/16/10 16:48 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds andy753421: 04/16/10 17:05 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/16/10 17:37 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. wahlnj1: 04/16/10 17:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 17:47 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj1: 04/16/10 17:52 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 17:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 17:59 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 18:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/16/10 18:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 18:57 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj: 04/16/10 19:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/16/10 19:47 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj1: 04/16/10 20:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 20:02 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj1: 04/16/10 20:45 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 20:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/16/10 21:15 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 21:16 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj1: 04/16/10 21:50 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 21:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 22:23 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 22:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 23:31 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 23:33 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 23:36 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/16/10 23:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/16/10 23:47 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj: 04/16/10 23:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 04/17/10 00:09 >< QUIT : Remote host closed the connection wahlnj: 04/17/10 00:12 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 00:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/17/10 01:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/17/10 01:21 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj: 04/17/10 01:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/17/10 01:42 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj: 04/17/10 01:59 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 02:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/17/10 02:12 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 02:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 04/17/10 02:31 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/17/10 02:37 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 02:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/17/10 02:49 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 02:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/17/10 04:05 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 04:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/17/10 04:59 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 05:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/17/10 05:51 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 05:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/17/10 09:43 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 09:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/17/10 10:03 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 10:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/17/10 10:33 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 10:34 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 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One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost: 04/17/10 11:15 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/17/10 11:16 Yay, the killswitch works! wahlnj: 04/17/10 12:17 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 12:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/17/10 13:23 rthc: You there? #rhrt: 04/17/10 13:24 Erm, I meant kleinjt_. #rhrt: 04/17/10 13:26 tommost: eh? #rhrt: 04/17/10 13:26 Ah, excellent. #rhrt: 04/17/10 13:26 How is the Kalman stuff coming? #rhrt: 04/17/10 13:27 TBoneULS: What's happening with internal charging for the robot? #rhrt: 04/17/10 13:27 It isn't. I guess I could work on that today. I'll have something ready for the meeting tomorrow. #rhrt: 04/17/10 13:27 Okay, cool. tommost: 04/17/10 13:51 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj: 04/17/10 14:25 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 14:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt polto: 04/17/10 14:36 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/17/10 14:36 hi #rhrt: 04/17/10 14:37 I am Alexandre from Elphel. #rhrt: 04/17/10 14:37 We have some new customers who would like to use our cameras in education. They need a simple and efficient way to get our RTSP stream into OpenCV. #rhrt: 04/17/10 14:37 Searching for a solution on the internet I found your wiki :) #rhrt: 04/17/10 14:37 Do you still use AVLD or did you figured out how to use appsink or some other way to use GST with OpenCV ? #rhrt: 04/17/10 14:37 It would be nice to publish some examples on our wiki if you have something working. #rhrt: 04/17/10 14:37 And btw you may benifit from upgrading your Elphel 353 camera to a 8.x firmware. wahlnj: 04/17/10 14:44 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 14:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/17/10 15:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:05 polto: I've found that using GStreamer is the best way to get the image into OpenCV. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:05 tommost: me too, but how ? :) #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:05 do you already use gstreamer with OpenCV and Elphel ? #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:06 Well, for us it's a little convoluted since we are using Python as our primary programming language. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:06 Just a sec. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:06 yeh, I see #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:06 It would be nice to point me to some example #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:07 tommost: and upgrade your camera to 8.0 firmware if it's not yet done. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:07 http://rhitrobotics.org/browser/trunk/software/rb/vision/gstcam.py is the capture code. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:07 polto: Yes, we've been on the 8.x firmware for a while now. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:07 :) #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:07 I just upgraded it to the latest a few weeks back. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:07 cool #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:07 thanks for the example. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:07 Yup. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:08 http://rhitrobotics.org/browser/trunk/software/rb/vision/_camera.c#L325 is also relevant. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:08 We aren't using the stock OpenCV Python bindings, so we have some code to do the conversions. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:09 It's easy to get an RGB buffer out of GStreamer, but you then have to convert it to BGR for OpenCV. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:10 can't you directly output in BGR from GSt ? #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:10 I don't think so, but it seems like that should be fairly simple to add. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:11 tommost: also are you using currently any FPGA video processing in your project ? #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:11 Sadly not yet. We've designed our processing algorithm to be easy to partly implement on the FPGA, though. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:11 It starts with a Sobel filter and then does some histogramming. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:12 ok #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:12 thanks for the code examples! #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:12 No problem! Thanks for the camera. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:12 :) #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:13 bye, have a good one polto: 04/17/10 15:13 >< PART #rhrt: #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:13 You too. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:13 ha, too late. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:13 now he will have a bad day :( #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:13 Hehe. robominator: 04/17/10 15:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:58 tommost: i attempted to implement some of the functions/methods we discussed today in drive_ctrl.py. I will commit and can you check to see if they even make sense? #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:58 Sure. #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:59 ok committed #rhrt: 04/17/10 15:59 i dont really have a way to test it so i just typed some stuff up #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:02 Did you delete the stuff that was there before? #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:03 no i didn't delete anything just added to the bottom #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:03 wasnt sure if any of that was used ever #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:03 Okay, I'll delete some of that stuff. #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:03 It was written by Andy with little sleep. #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:04 I'll remove the stuff that isn't relevant. #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:04 ok i dont even know if what i have will work w/o testing it #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:05 the time.sleep stuff probably isnt needed but just threw it in there to maybe exaggerate the effects if it weren't going straight #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:06 Hehe, tail recursion? You *are* taking PLC, aren't you? :p #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:06 FYI, Python doesn't do tail call optimization. #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:06 haha maybe? idk i didnt try to #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:08 i also wasnt sure what a good change amount would be if you needed to correct how straight the robot was going so i just arbitarily put .05 #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:08 Yeah, I expect we'll have to experiment with that. #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:11 StateAccel isn't static, one gets instantiated every time there's new data. The latest one is available at self.microstrain.latest_state. #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:13 ok yea i wasnt sure how that was supposed to be accessed. also for orient which one of the tuple is for horizontal plane? i assumed 2 #rhrt: 04/17/10 16:15 It is 2. wahlnj: 04/17/10 17:32 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/17/10 17:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/17/10 19:47 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj1: 04/17/10 20:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/17/10 20:26 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds tommost: 04/17/10 22:10 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/18/10 00:01 tommost: internal charging? its at the back of my head. i have some ideas, none finalized #rhrt: 04/18/10 00:01 it isnt a priority sadly and ive been busy #rhrt: 04/18/10 00:04 Yeah... well, if it can't be done expediently we could at least use a proper PSU for running the computer off of wall power and a simple way to switch to it (even if we have to shut down the computer). #rhrt: 04/18/10 00:04 It boots in ~30 seconds so shutting it down isn't a big deal. #rhrt: 04/18/10 00:05 The ATX PSU currently hanging off the back is definitely not a good solution, though. kleinjt_: 04/18/10 00:09 >< QUIT : Remote host closed the connection kleinjt: 04/18/10 00:10 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/18/10 00:37 save for later http://www.grayhill.com/ searchforme robominator: 04/18/10 00:38 >< PART #rhrt: robominator: 04/18/10 00:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/18/10 00:39 tommost: when will sunday's email come? #rhrt: 04/18/10 00:39 Oh, I should do that.... #rhrt: 04/18/10 00:40 I was working on vision code. #rhrt: 04/18/10 00:40 how is that going? #rhrt: 04/18/10 00:40 Haven't made much progress—I think my allergies are kicking in, because I feel sooooo tired. #rhrt: 04/18/10 00:41 About this time of year I go to sleep for a week or so because I can't keep my eyes open. robominator: 04/18/10 00:46 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj1: 04/18/10 04:43 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/18/10 04:44 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/18/10 04:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/18/10 04:49 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 248 seconds wahlnj1: 04/18/10 05:05 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/18/10 05:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/18/10 06:18 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/18/10 06:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/18/10 06:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/18/10 06:57 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 248 seconds wahlnj1: 04/18/10 11:03 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/18/10 11:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/18/10 12:49 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! andy753421: 04/18/10 13:57 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. andy753421: 04/18/10 13:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/18/10 14:36 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/18/10 14:41 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/18/10 14:43 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/18/10 15:39 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/18/10 15:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/18/10 15:41 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/18/10 15:43 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/18/10 15:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/18/10 15:47 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj: 04/18/10 16:16 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/18/10 16:17 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds #rhrt: 04/18/10 16:43 ACTION rages against OpenCV tommost_: 04/18/10 17:17 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/18/10 17:55 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/18/10 17:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/18/10 18:02 the batteries are done charging if y'all want to test the robot while it is light outside wahlnj1: 04/18/10 18:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/18/10 18:15 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj1: 04/18/10 18:21 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/18/10 18:23 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/18/10 18:45 is anyone going to test the robot tonight? wahlnj: 04/18/10 18:47 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/18/10 18:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/19/10 00:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/19/10 00:41 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj1: 04/19/10 00:43 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 00:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/19/10 00:46 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 00:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/19/10 00:57 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 00:58 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/19/10 01:18 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj: 04/19/10 02:06 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 02:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/19/10 02:41 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 02:44 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/19/10 04:25 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 04:25 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/19/10 04:45 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 04:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/19/10 07:40 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 07:41 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/19/10 08:03 tommost_: i think im going to work on the robot tomorrow morning i have stuff to take care of this morning for classes wahlnj: 04/19/10 09:45 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 09:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/19/10 10:11 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/19/10 10:13 tommost_: how did it go last night after wahlnj and i left? wahlnj: 04/19/10 12:18 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 12:20 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/19/10 13:50 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 13:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/19/10 14:33 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/19/10 14:58 robominator: It went pretty well until the battery ran down again. #rhrt: 04/19/10 14:59 compuwizard123_ is going to work on it tomorrow morning again. #rhrt: 04/19/10 15:10 we're getting about 1/4 of the usable life of the battery #rhrt: 04/19/10 15:10 wahlnj: We have money in the budget for another battery, right? tommost: 04/19/10 15:24 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! 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One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj1: 04/19/10 16:23 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/19/10 16:24 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj1: 04/19/10 17:13 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 17:15 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/19/10 18:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/19/10 18:38 Mark has two of these http://store.solar-electric.com/pvx-6220.html if they can fit on the robot. #rhrt: 04/19/10 18:40 He says to "make an offer". #rhrt: 04/19/10 18:40 I don't know if they're worth messing with. wahlnj: 04/19/10 18:40 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 18:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/19/10 18:55 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 18:57 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:11 67 pounds each? #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:11 also, 6V, so we would need both of them #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:11 so.. 134 pounds of batteries #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:26 Yeah... #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:26 How much do our current ones weight? #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:34 making the assumpting that sealed lead acid battery weight is roughly proportional to capacity, both of our batteries would maybe weigh a third as much as two of those #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:34 but I don't know, I don't know our battery model from memory #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:41 the current batteries are 38 lbs each #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:41 we have $140 for batteries #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:41 in the budget that is #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:52 We need to buy at least one more pretty much immediately. #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:52 TBoneULS: Batteries! tommost: 04/19/10 19:52 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:52 I don't know where we got them before, but I can order if someone gives me the info wahlnj: 04/19/10 19:56 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:57 tommost_: huh? do i need to order them? taLk to kleinjt #rhrt: 04/19/10 19:58 also, i put in a vote for whatever we have bow, for simplicity wahlnj: 04/19/10 19:58 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/19/10 20:00 I agree. I think we bought them locally too, which saves a bit on shipping. wahlnj: 04/19/10 20:47 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 20:49 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/19/10 21:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/19/10 21:20 >< PART #rhrt: tommost: 04/19/10 22:28 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost: 04/19/10 23:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/19/10 23:52 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/19/10 23:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 04/20/10 01:36 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds andy753421: 04/20/10 01:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/20/10 04:07 looks like its going to have to be wednesday morning since something came up #rhrt: 04/20/10 04:08 :( #rhrt: 04/20/10 04:09 I'll be there Wednesday evening from 7:00-8:00 p.m. wahlnj: 04/20/10 07:14 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/20/10 07:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/20/10 07:49 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/20/10 07:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/20/10 10:27 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! robominator: 04/20/10 10:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/20/10 11:02 tommost_: how did that second test you mentioned go? #rhrt: 04/20/10 11:02 kleinjt: everyting reads green, should i unplug the chargers? #rhrt: 04/20/10 11:14 robominator: Certainly unplug the little one. #rhrt: 04/20/10 11:15 robominator: Hasn't happened yet --- compuwizard123_ and I are busy. #rhrt: 04/20/10 11:16 hokey dokey #rhrt: 04/20/10 11:16 robominator: go ahead and unplug it if everything reads green robominator: 04/20/10 11:34 >< PART #rhrt: tommost: 04/20/10 12:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/20/10 14:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost1: 04/20/10 15:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/20/10 15:28 >< QUIT : Disconnected by services tommost1: 04/20/10 15:33 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj: 04/20/10 15:37 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/20/10 15:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/20/10 16:09 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 252 seconds robominator: 04/20/10 18:15 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/20/10 18:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/20/10 19:01 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 252 seconds tommost: 04/20/10 19:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/20/10 20:06 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/20/10 20:08 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/20/10 21:03 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/20/10 21:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/20/10 22:07 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/20/10 22:09 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/20/10 22:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/20/10 22:15 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds robominator: 04/20/10 22:38 >< PART #rhrt: robominator: 04/20/10 22:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/20/10 23:03 i have the concept for our mower #rhrt: 04/20/10 23:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2V8GFqk_Y wahlnj: 04/20/10 23:08 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/20/10 23:09 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds tommost: 04/20/10 23:25 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! 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One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost: 04/21/10 00:09 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/21/10 01:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 01:15 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj1: 04/21/10 03:05 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 03:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 05:15 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 05:18 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 05:28 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 05:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/21/10 06:03 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 06:04 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/21/10 06:05 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 06:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 06:30 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 06:31 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/21/10 07:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 07:49 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/21/10 09:00 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 09:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/21/10 09:29 tommost: i wont be there this morning. meeting got scheduled for a project of mine. i doubt ill have time tomorrow or friday as well. looks like weekend will be best time. robominator: 04/21/10 10:18 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/21/10 10:51 >< PART #rhrt: wahlnj: 04/21/10 11:05 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 11:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/21/10 11:09 :( wahlnj1: 04/21/10 12:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 12:03 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 264 seconds tommost_rhv: 04/21/10 12:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 12:34 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/21/10 12:47 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj1: 04/21/10 12:48 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 12:49 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 264 seconds wahlnj: 04/21/10 13:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/21/10 13:29 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 264 seconds TBoneULS_lug: 04/21/10 15:25 >< JOIN : #rhrt TBoneULS: 04/21/10 15:29 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/21/10 16:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 16:28 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 264 seconds robominator: 04/21/10 16:29 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/21/10 16:49 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. tommost_rhv: 04/21/10 17:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/21/10 17:52 >< PART #rhrt: tommost_rhv: 04/21/10 18:15 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. tommost: 04/21/10 18:55 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj1: 04/21/10 19:24 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 19:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 19:34 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 19:35 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 20:10 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 20:12 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 20:16 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 20:17 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 20:32 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 20:33 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/21/10 20:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/21/10 20:50 >< PART #rhrt: wahlnj1: 04/21/10 21:12 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 21:13 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 268 seconds robominator: 04/21/10 21:15 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/21/10 22:03 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 22:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/21/10 22:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 22:10 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/21/10 22:11 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/21/10 22:26 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost1: 04/21/10 22:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost1: 04/21/10 22:26 >< NICK : tommost wahlnj1: 04/21/10 23:17 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/21/10 23:19 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 268 seconds robominator: 04/21/10 23:23 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 264 seconds tommost: 04/21/10 23:34 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost1: 04/21/10 23:34 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost1: 04/21/10 23:34 >< NICK : tommost wahlnj: 04/21/10 23:35 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/21/10 23:36 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds tommost1: 04/21/10 23:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/21/10 23:38 >< QUIT : Disconnected by services tommost1: 04/21/10 23:38 >< NICK : tommost #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:40 andy753421: Have you ever used GTK toggle actions? #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:41 i thin so #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:41 *think #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:42 I'm getting tons of events when I toggle them. #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:42 by tons you mean two? #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:42 Three. #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:42 that's odd, i think i usually only got two #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:43 On what event? #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:43 add a `if (!gtk_toggle_action_is_active(action)) return;' at the top of the function #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:43 or g_return_if_fail(gtk_toggle_action_is_active(action)); or whatever python says #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:44 wait, maybe that's not what you wanted #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:44 i think that's for buttons #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:46 Yeah, I get three events on the change event: one for each button. All have the correct value, but two are active and one is not. #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:46 Wait, no, they all have the wrong value. #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:46 are they radio buttons? #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:46 Toolbar toggle buttons, but yes, functioning as radio buttons. #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:47 ok, checking for which one is active might do the trick then #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:48 (you should post some code) #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:49 https://rhitrobotics.org/browser/trunk/software/rb/gui/gui.py#L252 #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:51 is this in nav_cb? #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:52 Yes. #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:52 Extra weirdness occurs when you hit the Wiimote button, which tries to do a blocking operation in the GTK thread. #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:52 Then you get repeated events. #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:53 how do you download a blob from trac? #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:53 A blob? #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:53 the binary version of the file, without html formatting #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:54 https://rhitrobotics.org/svn/rhrt/trunk/software/rb/gui/gui.py #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:56 actually I was going for main.gtk, but it turns out i still have a copy of the repo on my laptop #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:56 Handy. #rhrt: 04/21/10 23:59 http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkRadioAction.html#GtkRadioAction-changed #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:00 your parameters look funny #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:00 does pygtk do something special with the `self' parameter? #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:00 (i.e. the first one) #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:00 Nope. #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:01 So the second one is coming through as data... #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:01 the first one should be nav_gui_action, the second should be the active action, and the third should be data #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:02 (i think) #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:04 Ah, excellent, that works. #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:05 I knew it had to be something simple. >.< #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:05 Thanks a lot. #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:05 n/p tommost1: 04/22/10 00:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/22/10 00:07 >< QUIT : Disconnected by services tommost1: 04/22/10 00:07 >< NICK : tommost #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:07 All hell still breaks loose when you click the Wiimote button, though. :( #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:07 what type of hell? #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:07 Events start repeating. #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:08 might be because of update_nav_toggles #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:08 Yeah, does set_active send the toggled event? #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:08 i believe so #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:08 Gaah, then why is there a toggled method? #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:10 `Emits the toggled signal on the GtkToggleButton. There is no good reason for an application ever to call this function. i think you can freeze the object when you call set_active #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:11 ACTION tries to remember how he did it #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:13 http://library.gnome.org/devel/pygtk/stable/class-gtkaction.html#method-gtkaction--block-activate #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:16 apparently i used g_signal_handlers_block_by_func #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:19 just as a side note, i think i would have connected to the `activate' signal on each of the buttons separately instead of using `changed' #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:19 i'm not sure which is better though #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:19 I tried that earlier, as well as the toggle signals. #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:19 There was weirdness... #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:20 and you could use g_object_set on the buttons to set a "navigator" to whatever the string for the navigator is and then in the callback use `new_nav = widget.g_object_get("navigator");' #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:20 although, that might be a bit more confusing :) #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:21 Yeah, since I can't do that with glade, I'd rather just have the dict up top. #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:22 does pygtk let you pass strings as the user_data from glade? #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:22 I expect so. I though that there was some GUI weirdness when creating user_data in Glade, though. But then, that might have been Glade 2... #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:24 whoo g_signal_connect_swapped_while_alive #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:24 Eh? #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:25 (connects a signal (swapped) and the disconnects it when some object is destroyed) #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:26 What does "swapped" mean? #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:26 it swaps the order of the object and the data arguments #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:27 Ah. #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:27 so you can have callbacks like `my_callback(self)' instead of `my_callback(obj, args, self)' #rhrt: 04/22/10 00:28 there's lots of weird/confusing but useful variants of g_signal_connect tommost: 04/22/10 01:17 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! 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tommost: i will be a few minutes late to the meeting today because I need to grab lunch at the ara. so ill be there by like 11:15-11:30 wahlnj1: 04/24/10 10:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/24/10 11:19 well, nobody else is here for the 11:00 software meeting, I'm considering leaving. #rhrt: 04/24/10 11:20 see y'all at the meeting tomorrow wahlnj: 04/24/10 11:33 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/24/10 11:34 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/24/10 12:03 yea no one else showed. i worked on trying to get the robot togo in a straight line. it seems like the robot just has way too much rotational intertia. whenever the robot starts to turn it continues for a few seconds before it can be restraightened. the weight also isnt over the drive wheels so they slip. the batteries over the pivot wheel make it almost impossible to keep the robot straight. thats just my two cents tommost_: 04/24/10 12:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/24/10 12:20 So... fun times. #rhrt: 04/24/10 12:20 It looks like VQ had a power outage, because my clock is blinking at me and my computer was off. wahlnj1: 04/24/10 12:40 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj1: 04/24/10 12:41 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/24/10 13:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/24/10 13:13 tommost_: so i just got to the meeting... did i miss anything? robominator: 04/24/10 13:23 >< PART #rhrt: #rhrt: 04/24/10 13:26 ... #rhrt: 04/24/10 14:37 wahlnj1: We need to purchase a new battery *today*. #rhrt: 04/24/10 14:38 The computer one got to 8.5 again, and after only 15 minutes of use (and it started at ~12.5). andy753421: 04/24/10 15:37 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds #rhrt: 04/24/10 15:38 Okay, so where to we buy batteries? wahlnj2: 04/24/10 15:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/24/10 16:00 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj1: 04/24/10 16:03 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj2: 04/24/10 16:03 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 245 seconds #rhrt: 04/24/10 16:42 I don't recall where the batteries were purchased from. #rhrt: 04/24/10 16:43 maybe batteries plus? #rhrt: 04/24/10 16:44 batteries plus appears to have it available for $120 #rhrt: 04/24/10 16:46 Yes, Colin was just there and got a quote for $115. wahlnj1: 04/24/10 17:18 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. robominator: 04/24/10 18:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/24/10 18:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/24/10 18:40 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 252 seconds rthc: 04/24/10 18:48 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/24/10 19:50 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 252 seconds wahlnj: 04/24/10 20:10 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/24/10 20:12 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 252 seconds tommost: 04/24/10 20:15 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj: 04/24/10 20:25 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/24/10 20:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/24/10 20:54 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/24/10 20:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/24/10 21:05 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/24/10 21:06 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 268 seconds wahlnj1: 04/24/10 21:19 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/24/10 21:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/24/10 21:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/24/10 21:29 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj2: 04/24/10 22:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/24/10 22:06 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/24/10 22:08 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/24/10 22:08 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj: 04/24/10 22:23 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/24/10 22:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj2: 04/24/10 23:02 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. robominator1: 04/24/10 23:37 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 00:41 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 00:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 01:14 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 01:15 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/25/10 01:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 01:22 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj1: 04/25/10 01:30 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 01:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator1: 04/25/10 01:38 >< PART #rhrt: wahlnj: 04/25/10 01:47 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 01:49 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 01:55 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 01:57 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/25/10 02:20 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 04/25/10 02:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 02:21 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj1: 04/25/10 02:29 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 02:31 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 02:43 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 02:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 02:47 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 02:48 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 02:58 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 02:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 03:24 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 03:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/25/10 03:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 03:46 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj: 04/25/10 04:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/25/10 04:21 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj1: 04/25/10 05:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 05:53 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 260 seconds wahlnj: 04/25/10 06:16 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/25/10 06:17 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 265 seconds wahlnj1: 04/25/10 06:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/25/10 06:44 >< PART #rhrt: andy753421: 04/25/10 06:51 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj2: 04/25/10 07:05 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 07:07 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 265 seconds andy753421: 04/25/10 07:12 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj2: 04/25/10 07:29 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 07:31 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj2: 04/25/10 07:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 08:16 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 08:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 09:13 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 09:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 09:18 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 09:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 10:13 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 10:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/25/10 10:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 10:55 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 265 seconds #rhrt: 04/25/10 11:21 tommost: how have you been trying to get the speed of the encoders from the motor controller controllers? robominator: 04/25/10 11:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/25/10 11:48 tommost_: email? #rhrt: 04/25/10 11:55 tommost_: i got this andy753421: 04/25/10 12:09 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds robominator: 04/25/10 12:17 >< PART #rhrt: #rhrt: 04/25/10 12:20 kleinjt: getspeed #rhrt: 04/25/10 12:20 and what has it been returning? #rhrt: 04/25/10 12:23 er.. what have the motor controllers been returning when you ask them getspeed? andy753421: 04/25/10 12:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj2: 04/25/10 12:29 >< PART #rhrt: #rhrt: 04/25/10 12:30 (since looking though the mcc's code, I don't see any (obvious) reasons that it wouldn't work) #rhrt: 04/25/10 12:30 (so some information about how it has been behaving would be helpful) #rhrt: 04/25/10 12:40 I though it had been returning zero or something. #rhrt: 04/25/10 12:40 Has it been returning zero? #rhrt: 04/25/10 12:40 rthc said something about it being in the interrupt handler he disabled to disable PID. #rhrt: 04/25/10 12:40 I don't know. #rhrt: 04/25/10 12:40 I suggest you check. tommost: 04/25/10 12:56 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! #rhrt: 04/25/10 12:59 Zeta and I will be coming. he's slow, i should have left without him andy753421: 04/25/10 13:16 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds andy753421: 04/25/10 13:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/25/10 13:50 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 13:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/25/10 14:49 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/25/10 16:16 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/25/10 17:47 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj1: 04/25/10 17:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 17:52 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 252 seconds wahlnj1: 04/25/10 18:05 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 18:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/25/10 18:40 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 18:41 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj: 04/25/10 18:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/25/10 18:48 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds ZetaSyanthis: 04/25/10 19:02 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/25/10 19:02 rthc: I heard rumors you have poked at the battery chargers and found a way to enable AGM mode tommost: 04/25/10 20:22 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:41 TBoneULS_lug requested I mention that two batteries should be purchased if we're going to throw them in parallel #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:42 replace both, ZetaSyanthis? #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:42 Two batteries with different discharge characteristics take on the worse one's and damage the other one in the process #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:42 yes #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:42 if you're going to have to replace one and we're going to parallel them, yes #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:43 hmmm, i don't know if our budget can take that hit.. but if we go to the trouble of investing in power stuff #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:44 well, the other option if you want is to use them seperately, we can still tether connect the computer stuffs #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:44 the problem is that you'll want to replace both to have them match up in the future if you want to do it then #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:49 what is power going to cost us, all in? #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:49 two batteries, diodey circuit, charger control.. #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:50 I'm not sure exactly which batteries you're using / their cost #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:51 ~115 is our quote on them #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:51 wahlnj, how much can we put towards power? #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:54 As far as the diode circuit, if I can sample two chips from linear, it'll be about $15 + board wahlnj: 04/25/10 21:54 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:55 he answers a lot of my questions that way #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:55 heh wahlnj: 04/25/10 21:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:56 the charger control, I've no idea yet... I need to find out from rthc what he did there #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:58 i think he is busy with beltian lager #rhrt: 04/25/10 21:58 yep, I imagine he is wahlnj1: 04/25/10 22:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/25/10 22:16 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 240 seconds wahlnj1: 04/25/10 22:59 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/25/10 23:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/25/10 23:29 robominator: we have $140 for a battery #rhrt: 04/25/10 23:29 thats bad #rhrt: 04/25/10 23:29 I think we still have a decent amount in other electronics items that maybe we could put toward power, you'd have to ask Ryan #rhrt: 04/25/10 23:29 im in agreement with mark, we should probably replace both #rhrt: 04/25/10 23:30 and parallel them #rhrt: 04/25/10 23:30 they will alst longer and we won't have this problem again #rhrt: 04/25/10 23:30 hoepfully #rhrt: 04/25/10 23:30 someone should send Ryan an email with what you want and ask if we can cover it with this year's budget #rhrt: 04/25/10 23:36 ACTION touches nose #rhrt: 04/25/10 23:49 ACTION nominates ZetaSyanthis  wahlnj1: 04/26/10 00:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 00:15 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 00:17 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 00:20 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. wahlnj1: 04/26/10 00:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 00:48 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj1: 04/26/10 00:54 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 00:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 00:59 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 01:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/26/10 01:04 >< PART #rhrt: wahlnj1: 04/26/10 01:07 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 01:08 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj1: 04/26/10 01:22 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 01:24 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 02:09 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 02:11 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 02:22 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 02:23 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj1: 04/26/10 03:11 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 03:12 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 03:25 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 03:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 03:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 03:53 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj: 04/26/10 06:10 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 06:11 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj1: 04/26/10 06:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 06:15 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/26/10 06:25 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 06:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 06:33 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 06:35 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/26/10 07:35 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 07:36 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 07:48 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 07:50 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj1: 04/26/10 09:42 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 09:44 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 10:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 10:03 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/26/10 10:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 10:52 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/26/10 11:02 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 11:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/26/10 11:18 did anyone deal with the battery stuff? tommost: 04/26/10 11:21 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj: 04/26/10 11:41 >< QUIT : *.net *.split wahlnj: 04/26/10 11:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 12:43 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 12:44 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds #rhrt: 04/26/10 13:53 to my knowledge the battery stuff has not been dealt with #rhrt: 04/26/10 13:54 if someone tells me exactly what we need I can try to take care of it today #rhrt: 04/26/10 14:06 we need to see if we can buy two batteries #rhrt: 04/26/10 14:06 im not sure who to talk to about that #rhrt: 04/26/10 14:13 are they $115 each? #rhrt: 04/26/10 14:13 if you give me prices I can check with Ryan and see if we can afford it #rhrt: 04/26/10 14:31 they are $115 each #rhrt: 04/26/10 14:31 possibly plus tax tommost: 04/26/10 14:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 14:48 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 14:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/26/10 15:21 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost: 04/26/10 15:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 15:30 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj: 04/26/10 15:30 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/26/10 15:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 16:16 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 16:18 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds tommost: 04/26/10 16:24 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj1: 04/26/10 16:51 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 16:52 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/26/10 16:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 17:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 17:02 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj: 04/26/10 17:12 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj2: 04/26/10 17:20 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 17:22 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds robominator: 04/26/10 18:08 >< PART #rhrt: wahlnj: 04/26/10 18:08 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 248 seconds wahlnj: 04/26/10 18:09 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj2: 04/26/10 18:10 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj1: 04/26/10 18:12 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/26/10 18:19 What is the status of the battery stuff? #rhrt: 04/26/10 18:21 I've been talking to TBoneULS_lug and ZetaSyanthis. Buying a good charger we're looking at another $115, plus the 2×$115 for new batteries. The board will cost $10 if the chips are sampled. wahlnj1: 04/26/10 19:04 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj1: 04/26/10 19:05 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/26/10 19:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 19:33 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj1: 04/26/10 19:34 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/26/10 21:00 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj1: 04/26/10 21:20 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj1: 04/26/10 21:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/26/10 21:48 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/26/10 22:45 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj1: 04/26/10 22:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/26/10 23:00 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. wahlnj1: 04/26/10 23:04 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 23:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/26/10 23:19 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. wahlnj: 04/26/10 23:57 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/26/10 23:58 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/27/10 00:00 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/27/10 00:24 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. tommost: 04/27/10 01:07 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj: 04/27/10 01:24 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 01:26 >< JOIN : #rhrt lingonberry: 04/27/10 01:34 >< NICK : boysenberry wahlnj: 04/27/10 01:54 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 01:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/27/10 02:06 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/27/10 02:08 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 268 seconds wahlnj: 04/27/10 03:52 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/27/10 03:54 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 268 seconds wahlnj: 04/27/10 05:41 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 05:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/27/10 07:02 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/27/10 07:04 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds wahlnj: 04/27/10 07:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/27/10 07:54 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj1: 04/27/10 08:04 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/27/10 08:05 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj: 04/27/10 08:14 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/27/10 08:15 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds wahlnj1: 04/27/10 09:15 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/27/10 09:16 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds tommost: 04/27/10 11:03 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/27/10 11:31 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! robominator: 04/27/10 11:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/27/10 12:25 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/27/10 12:35 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj1: 04/27/10 13:19 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 13:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/27/10 13:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/27/10 13:54 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 268 seconds wahlnj: 04/27/10 14:37 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/27/10 14:38 wahlnj1: What is the status of the budget? wahlnj1: 04/27/10 14:38 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 268 seconds #rhrt: 04/27/10 14:38 Have batteries been purchased? #rhrt: 04/27/10 14:38 ... #rhrt: 04/27/10 14:40 no clue. #rhrt: 04/27/10 14:40 have we even figured out how much money we can spend on that? #rhrt: 04/27/10 14:40 No. #rhrt: 04/27/10 14:41 I'm going to phone wahlnj now... we need to resolve this, and I'm tired of the budget being a mystery. #rhrt: 04/27/10 14:42 Gah, no answer. robominator: 04/27/10 14:50 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/27/10 14:51 tommost: if you were planning a software meeting tomorrow, i won't be able to attend, i've got a night exam :( wahlnj1: 04/27/10 15:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/27/10 15:23 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj: 04/27/10 15:23 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 268 seconds tommost: 04/27/10 15:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/27/10 16:09 >< PART #rhrt: tommost: 04/27/10 16:28 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost: 04/27/10 17:11 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:21 we have our budget meeting with SGA Sunday at 12:30 #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:21 Ryan and I will be going, and it would be good to have the team leaders there as well #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:23 Okay. I can do that. #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:23 Please send us the budget for next year so we know what's going on. tommost: 04/27/10 17:25 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:26 any thoughts on how much additional weight the robot could handle if we moved the cases around such the the batteries were at the very base of the tower? #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:27 was looking at these http://www.batterystore.com/Powersonic/PS12750.html #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:30 do we have any info on what size and brand of batteries other teams use? #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:30 kleinjt: was the current draw for the motors you gave me the other day for just two of them? #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:37 ~30-40A continuous, each #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:37 can we update the budget to cover what has been spent but not reimbursed? #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:37 how long can you run the motors off battery? #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:38 i can work on order random electronics stuff we have budgeted but not purchased #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:38 (at the moment, ignoring the computer might die sooner) #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:38 ya, that number seems insane #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:39 I don't recall, the computer has been running out before the motors recently. #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:39 it perhaps startings getting sluggish after thirty minutes or so #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:39 eesh #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:41 thats not good #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:41 how does that work for the compettion? #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:42 is that 30-40 continuous per motor, or pair? #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:56 each, per motor #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:56 TBoneULS_lug: we've never gotten far enough for it to be a problem.. #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:58 ACTION facepalms #rhrt: 04/27/10 17:59 so then, how about we fix this so we can not worry about it again? #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:07 kleinjt: is that measured actual in use or off of datasheet? #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:07 and any idea how the current drops when you put multiple on? #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:09 ZetaSyanthis: I was quoting the wiki, which I'm guessing was miscopied off the datasheet. #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:10 http://banebots.com/p/M4-R0062-12 is what I believe the motors we are using are #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:10 this site quotes their peak effective current as ~20A/each #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:11 and no, I don't know #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:16 these are the same as last year, correct? #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:17 or two years ago>? #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:17 just fewer motors #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:17 ? #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:19 the efficiency on those hurts >.< #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:22 any idea on the gearing? #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:26 or what torque we actually need? #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:26 http://banebots.com/pc/P80K-nnnn-0005/P80K-333-0005 #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:26 I don't know if the mechanical team actually calculated the torque we need wahlnj1: 04/27/10 18:29 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 18:31 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/27/10 18:41 good to know what we're following the directions for those, too wahlnj: 04/27/10 18:44 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 18:46 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/27/10 18:49 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 18:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/27/10 18:54 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 18:56 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/27/10 18:59 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 19:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/27/10 19:22 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/27/10 19:26 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 19:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/27/10 19:38 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. #rhrt: 04/27/10 19:46 if we could get figures on torque we need, I can start looking into stuffs #rhrt: 04/27/10 19:46 two motor vs. four would be helpful #rhrt: 04/27/10 19:49 (I'm looking into the possibility of obtaining better and more reasonable motors) #rhrt: 04/27/10 19:49 might have a link through which to get some free ones wahlnj: 04/27/10 19:58 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 19:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/27/10 20:02 I like the way we're driving an 80 in-oz gearbox with a 343 in-oz motor #rhrt: 04/27/10 20:14 fyi, youve unleashed ZetaSyanthis wahlnj1: 04/27/10 20:19 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/27/10 20:34 WHY DONT WE HAVE A LIDAR #rhrt: 04/27/10 20:34 im looking at all of the othe reports wahlnj: 04/27/10 20:49 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 20:51 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/27/10 21:10 can our motor controllers run 24V motors? wahlnj: 04/27/10 21:11 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 21:12 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/27/10 21:20 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/27/10 21:22 our new CAN enabled ones can, but nobody has written the software to use them #rhrt: 04/27/10 21:23 (http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/mdl-bdc24.html) wahlnj: 04/27/10 21:26 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 21:27 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/27/10 21:35 those are pretty sweet wahlnj: 04/27/10 21:53 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 21:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj2: 04/27/10 22:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/27/10 22:03 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 268 seconds wahlnj1: 04/27/10 22:54 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer tommost: 04/27/10 23:36 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/27/10 23:43 I thought that the current motor controllers can do 24 V motors—the only difference between the 12 and 24V versions is the fan voltage, IIRC. wahlnj2: 04/27/10 23:53 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/27/10 23:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:04 Yeah, I'm right. This is what I bought before: http://www.ifirobotics.com/victor-883-speed-controller-robots.shtml #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:04 ZetaSyanthis: Why does this matter? #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:06 TBoneULS_lug and I were looking at the other teams in the competition and noticed that all but one other used 24V systems #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:06 Yeah, for good reason, I expect. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:06 I was curious whether I should bother building support in for 24V... if the motor controllers couldn't do it, I wouldn't have bothered #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:06 Will it kill these motors very badly if we overvolt them? #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:07 heh, I expect so #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:07 It's commonly done in combat robotics, but then... ;) #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:07 Actually, those motors are pretty terrible, tbh... #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:07 I've never seen motors with that low efficiency before #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:07 electrics are usually >90% #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:07 I think the rationale was "they're cheap, and a bunch of team members have used them before". #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:08 aye #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:08 that's actually similar to the current ones O.o #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:08 The gearboxes were *not* cheap, though. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:08 they're cheap for gearboxes :) #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:08 If we could replace the motors with 24V versions that mate with those gearboxes, we'd probably be good. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:09 don't know if they have them #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:09 either way, they're epic overkill compared to all the other teams #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:09 and their efficiency really hurts in terms of required battery pack #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:09 Well, other teams seemed to have problems with hills. :) That's the one thing last year's robot had going for it. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:11 I can't help but notice that most of the bots are based on other bases #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:11 prebuilt ones #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:11 like electric atvs or some such #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:11 I don't know about "most". Several are. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:11 yeah, they're wussie teams #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:11 There was only one ATV that I'm aware of, and it was gas. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:11 well, if it works :P #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:11 ah, okay #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:12 They were next to us, actually. Cool guys. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:12 we were looking at the 2008 reports #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:12 Ah. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:12 Ah yes, because they still haven't posted the 2009 reports. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:12 IGVC. *sigh* #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:12 I could actually use some figures on required torques on those motors either way #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:13 need to approximate the load and I'm trying to see if I can possibly swing someone to sponsor us some better ones #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:13 on the latter note, need to find out if we actually need that insane power or we can use lesser torque motors #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:14 yes #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:14 ? #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:14 We really seem to, at least with just two. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:14 it has trouble getting moving on just the two #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:14 I believe there were calculations done at some point. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:15 ACTION nods #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:15 Theoretically said calculations should be mentioned in the design report... #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:15 probably overtaxing the gearboxes if so... they're rated at 1/5 of what the motors can put out #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:15 fyi #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:16 O_o that low? #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:16 Yes, the Princeton design report mentions them having issues with them breaking. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:16 balls, that explains what happened to my first team :.( #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:17 that's a major part of the reason I'm looking into replacement motors :P #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:17 Bodine has some nice models, but we can't afford them unless they were to sponsor us... and 24V conversion would need to be part of the power system planning to begin with #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:17 btw, when I get moving, I kinda go nuts :P #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:18 do we have any 24->12 vicor blocks? #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:18 Erm, hmm... #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:18 I vaguely recall there being something odd going on in that space. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:18 Like we had 12->24 or something, but not the other. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:18 The only way to know is to look through the box of them. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:18 aye #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:18 I can check tomorrow afternoon. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:18 just plug it in backwards :P #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:19 thanks, kleinjt #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:19 IIRC we have some utterly ridiculous ones, like 300->5V. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:19 if we don't, a 24->12 switcher isn't hard, even at a few tens of amps #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:19 tommost: probably for that stupid generator on the helecopter #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:20 it puts out up to 300V depending on the speed the engine's running at #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:21 We still have that generator, I believe. :p #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:23 so, if we run it off the electic motors, we could do switching from 24-300-5-12 #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:30 tommost: there were at least 2 based on electric atvs, and 3-4 on wheelchair bases (in 2008) #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:30 By "ATV" do you mean those bases with the 4 huge wheels? #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:31 yes. they called them atvs #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:31 (Like this: http://www.igvc.org/design/reports/dr228.pdf ) #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:31 Ah. I was talking about an actual meant-for-recreation ATV. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:31 er no that wasnt one of them #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:32 they were weak atvs, prehaps meant for children #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:32 Ah, yes. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:32 The difficulty there is non-differential drive. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:32 also, why dont we have a lidar? seems like we were one of 2 teams that don't #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:32 Because they cost $5000. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:32 everyone else seems to get them donated #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:32 We asked SICK at some point. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:33 I know one team got one because a GM plant near them was closing. Apparently the devices are used in industrial safety systems. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:33 i would assume they said no? #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:33 ah #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:33 Yeah, apparently every robotics project ever wants a SICK LIDAR, for obvious reasons. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:33 almost all of the reports claimed they had one, and all seemed to say it cost them nothing #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:34 we should just keep asking until they say yes #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:35 cool, these guys use 72v litium ion batteries #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:35 wtf #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:35 UCF spent $4500 on one. Their report is strange; they only got $2000 or so in donations. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:35 The real WTF is the team that used fuel cells. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:36 I suspect their faculty advisor has some research grant for them or something. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:36 several teams use generators #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:36 i find that to be an amusing solution #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:37 It lets them run pretty much indefinitely, so I'm not going to knock it. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:37 Damn loud, though. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:38 Do we have one even for charging up the robot? #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:38 I assume not #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:39 No. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:39 They run a generator for the whole IGVC event to power the tents and such. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:40 ah, okay #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:40 does each team get a tent? #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:40 No, there are a bunch of huge tents. #rhrt: 04/28/10 00:40 ah, k robominator: 04/28/10 00:51 >< PART #rhrt: wahlnj: 04/28/10 01:31 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/28/10 01:33 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/28/10 01:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/28/10 01:57 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 268 seconds wahlnj1: 04/28/10 02:22 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/28/10 02:23 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/28/10 02:37 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/28/10 02:38 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 268 seconds wahlnj1: 04/28/10 02:44 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/28/10 02:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/28/10 03:08 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/28/10 03:10 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 268 seconds wahlnj1: 04/28/10 03:16 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer TBoneULS_lug: 04/28/10 03:31 >< QUIT : *.net *.split TBoneULS_lug: 04/28/10 03:37 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/28/10 08:41 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/28/10 09:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/28/10 10:01 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 268 seconds wahlnj: 04/28/10 10:18 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj1: 04/28/10 10:19 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 264 seconds robominator: 04/28/10 12:05 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/28/10 12:21 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! 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One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! wahlnj1: 04/29/10 10:13 >< JOIN : #rhrt wahlnj: 04/29/10 10:15 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 264 seconds robominator: 04/29/10 11:45 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/29/10 13:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/29/10 13:32 >< PART #rhrt: robominator: 04/29/10 14:40 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator1: 04/29/10 14:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt kleinjt: 04/29/10 14:55 >< QUIT : Read error: No route to host kleinjt: 04/29/10 14:55 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/29/10 14:56 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 252 seconds robominator1: 04/29/10 15:01 >< NICK : robominator tommost_rhv: 04/29/10 15:29 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. tommost_rhv: 04/29/10 15:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/29/10 15:43 >< PART #rhrt: tommost_rhv: 04/29/10 15:59 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. tommost_rhv: 04/29/10 16:39 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/29/10 16:59 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. #rhrt: 04/29/10 17:09 so, any info on required torque? #rhrt: 04/29/10 17:10 wahlnj1: ^ #rhrt: 04/29/10 17:11 I'm trying to figure out what to do about voltage levels... it seems all other teams are using 24V, with good reason #rhrt: 04/29/10 17:11 unfortunately, that adds a bit of complexity, as the ideal diode controllers I wanted to use go up to 18V... there are higher rated ones, but they don't switch off with over/undervolt protection robominator: 04/29/10 17:21 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/29/10 17:23 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/29/10 17:45 wahlnj1: You there? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:24 I don't know that we've ever come up with good numbers for torque #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:25 we chose the motors we have because we knew they would be powerful enough, but didn't really do any calculations #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:25 Colin might have some numbers for torque #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:26 ZetaSyanthis: How much does it matter? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:26 wahlnj1: What's the story with SGA? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:26 We're meeting them 12:30 Sunday? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:26 yeah #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:26 Can you send me the budget you submitted? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:27 I'm trying to gauge how to build the power system and what batteries, etc to actually buy #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:27 I'll ask Ryan to, I don't have it #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:27 knowing what we might do in the future will aid me selecting things that aren't just useful now #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:33 ZetaSyanthis: You're wondering if we'll switch motors? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:44 yes #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:44 more of a general "will a 24V swap happen?" #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:44 robominator, wahlnj1: What is the likelihood of this? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:45 Or would any swap be driven by the electronics team? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:45 that kinda influences a lot of things: battery charger, battery sizing, etc #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:45 also, any downconversion for the 12V stuff, including the computer PSU #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:45 I think that would be an electronics decision #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:45 of course, if we change motors that will change the design of the drivetrain #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:47 yeah, not to mention the cost of decent motors is painful #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:47 That'd probably be a next year thing, unless we could swing some form of sponsorship #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:47 Oh, that definitely won't happen this year. There's no way. #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:47 And it seems unlikely next year. #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:48 aye, I'm aware #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:48 So my inclination is to just get 12V gear. What are the reasons to go for 24V anyway? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:48 there is still a lot of money in an account from the aerial robotics days that we can request #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:49 24 is what new motors would use at some point in the future #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:49 Yeah, I don't see money as the issue so much as time. #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:49 and 24 is what LIDAR uses #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:49 (if we got one at some point) #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:50 ZetaSyanthis: Have you gone through the DC->DC converters to see if we have ones that would work? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:50 I'm sort of trying to plan for the future with this design as much as possible #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:50 no, I've not yet #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:50 I can now if you like. #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:50 Anything to make this happen faster... #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:50 I can design a 24->12 without much difficulty for the 12V gear we have #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:50 are you there? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:50 I'm in the CS lab. #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:51 at some point, if you could, that'd be helpful... I forgot to stop by on the way out today #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:51 wahlnj1: ooc, how much is laying around in that? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:51 $8,000? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:51 jesus christ #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:52 I don't know, but that sounds about right #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:52 that could buy a lidar and everything else besides #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:52 There are strings. #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:52 I imagine, with that sum involved #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:52 we probably couldn't get all that at once, but if we come up with a reasonable proposal we can get a chunk of it #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:53 well, I've actually looked at dc gearmotors quite recently for a project at ventures, so if I can get torque figures I can start finding stuff #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:54 or at least exploring the possibilities #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:54 I am much more concerned with getting something that fixes our immediate problem fast. #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:54 Ideally, I'd like to send out the board within days. #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:55 This range issue kills my ability to test things on the robot. #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:56 you realize that we'd have to order a power supply either way to make that work? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:56 Yes. #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:56 again, 12/24 choice involved #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:56 the board is relatively simple... I'm poking at it now #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:56 however, depending on how the rest of the system is set up, things change #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:57 well ZetaSyanthis, what's your expert rec? #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:58 I'm still thinking... it seems like a 24V system long-term is desirable. For short-term, we need to get batteries at the minimum #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:58 if I can get torque figures and figure out what current draw new motors would likely use, we can size batteries and then replace them... that solves the immediate problem #rhrt: 04/29/10 18:59 tether would then wait until we figured out what power supply to purchase #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:00 we can pay for batteries with from SGA, the slush fund, or the ARC fund, so let's go ahead and buy them as soon as we know what we need #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:01 who do I talk to about torque estimates for that? #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:01 battery sizing changes the torque quite a lot due to weight, I imagine #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:18 do we have a way of measuring electrical power to the motors? #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:19 if we do, and we know the speed from the encoders, it's easy to calculate the torque #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:20 it didn't sound like it #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:20 that would probably be the most accurate way to measure the torque required #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:22 I think baty might have a shunt that can read them, but he's napping #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:22 I think he might have a 50A shunt #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:22 we could borrow one of the power meters from the ME instrument room and just set it somewhere where we can read it while the robot runs #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:23 can those handle the required current? #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:23 it's just a ring that goes around the wire, so I don't think you can hurt it, it would only go out of range #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:24 oh, okay #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:24 but we used it on a pretty hefty DC motor that I think drew about 30 A #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:24 <3 clamp meters #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:24 less than three clamp meters? #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:24 I would hope so. #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:24 yeah... poor visual there, I apologize #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:25 how does measuring voltage work? #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:25 0a0lof6y76ypcpg5rrojeiw1l9ky.pdf #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:25 really TI? couldn't name that something useful? #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:26 you just use a multimeter, wahlnj1 #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:26 actually, those are on motor controllers... it should still give you the rough average though #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:26 ok, that's what I was wondering #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:26 might want to steal one of the true rms meters from ventures briefly #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:27 the power meters the ME department has have a voltmeter and clamp meter and do the math for power #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:28 nifty #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:28 tommost: can we easily get an angular speed from the encoders? #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:32 wahlnj1: Yes, they work now. #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:32 They may have never been broken... #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:33 ZetaSyanthis: we can get torque measurements as soon as someone can come and help me run the robot during business hours #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:33 tomorrow afternoon would work for me #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:34 wahlnj1: I can be there between 12:30 and 1:30. #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:34 so meet at 12:30 in M133? #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:34 Sure. #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:36 How are we going to synchronize the speed and current readings? #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:37 run the robot at a constant speed for a while and hope both are relatively constant? #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:38 That may prove difficult. #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:38 Given its tendency to turn. #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:38 Or do we want to put it up on blocks? (That doesn't seem right...) #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:38 I could record the meter with a video camera and have someone indicate when the encoders begin taking data verbally #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:39 That seems really complicated. #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:39 ideally we would have it accelerate at max power up a ramp to get the max torque #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:40 Is there any way for the meter to output data to the computer? #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:40 I don't think so, unless we got a data acquisition system #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:41 kk #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:41 I can possibly stop by as well to help... I need to see about that yet #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:41 I had planned to work, but my only class may not be meeting, so I might be able to move that to later in the day #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:42 *my only class tomorrow #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:44 the meter I'm thinking of is the Extech AC/DC Watt Clamp DMM #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:45 doesn't look like it has any kind of output other that the LCD #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:52 ZetaSyanthis: Are there benefits to 24V aside from P=IV? wahlnj1: 04/29/10 19:52 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:52 yes, most high-power gearmotors are 24V #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:52 they tend to be either that or 130V #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:53 How easy will it be for you to design a system that can do both? wahlnj: 04/29/10 19:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:53 The tether circuit should be able to do both... the issue is the power supply and battery charger purchases #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:55 We need to power our current motors with this system in any case. Since lead-acid batteries are 12V, I assume that those will be the same in any case. Will we need to purchase a different power supply and battery charger to switch to 24V anyway? #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:56 yes #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:56 unless you want to physically disconnect the batteries from each other to charge them before plugging it in #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:57 and the power supply would have to be 24 or 12 depending #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:57 But we can't use that stuff with the current motors, no? #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:57 my plan currently is to build the tether circuit and have it in place and test it with a psu borrowed from somewhere... possibly bentures #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:58 bentures! #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:58 no, you can't #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:58 So I don't see how it affects what we need to buy now. #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:58 that's why for the moment, we'll buy new batteries, put them in parallel, and not have a tether psu for the computer unless you can keep using that computer psu for that #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:59 tommost: it affects the size of batteries to be chosen #rhrt: 04/29/10 19:59 By looking at the torque required, I can check up on motors we're likely to swap to in the future, which will be more efficient than the current ones and possibly allow us to downsize them slightly #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:00 if I get giant batteries to fully satisfy these, the new motors would need to be unnecessarily large just to move the batteries #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:00 so you will have 12V tether available either way, but the battery capacity may change #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:01 that make any sense? #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:01 getting new motors and switching to 24V would be a fairly large undertaking, do we want to attempt that next year #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:01 So you want to buy the smallest batteries possible, but can't buy ones too small for the current motors in any case? #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:02 tommost: basically #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:02 also we don't have money for new motors in the budget, but that doesn't necessarily mean we can't buy them #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:02 either way, getting the actual current measurements will help size the current ones #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:02 Won't it all change with heavier batteries? #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:03 yes #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:03 if we buy heavier ones, yes #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:04 And if we buy batteries that are larger than necessary for the hypothetical 24V motors, will it cause any harm to have them? #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:05 no, but it will require us to buy more expensive motors #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:05 How expensive is "expensive"? #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:05 that varies wildly by the required torque #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:06 Is it greater or less than the cost of purchasing smaller batteries to go with the new motors? #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:08 smaller batteries and smaller motors are both cheaper... I'm confused what you're asking #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:09 The overall goal is to make it perform better #rhrt: 04/29/10 20:09 Mmm. tommost: 04/29/10 20:30 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 246 seconds tommost: 04/29/10 20:47 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/29/10 21:57 Do we have any idea what kind of weight addition the robot could handle if we went with larger batteries? #rhrt: 04/29/10 22:07 space is more of an issue than weight robominator: 04/29/10 22:14 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. #rhrt: 04/29/10 22:14 tommost, TBoneULS_lug, and myself were looking at that... if that empty case was removed, larger cells could fit #rhrt: 04/29/10 22:16 18x10x13 was about the size of the space #rhrt: 04/29/10 22:16 (l,w,h) wahlnj: 04/29/10 22:27 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/29/10 22:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/29/10 23:42 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/29/10 23:56 So I've looked at discharge curves assuming we're pulling 40A/motor + 10A for the electronics... that results in a runtime of 24 minutes on 44AH cells, 40 on 55AH, and 60 on 75AH #rhrt: 04/29/10 23:57 75 AH are the absolute largest we can fit and run $150... 55AH are $130 #rhrt: 04/29/10 23:57 150 per? #rhrt: 04/29/10 23:57 what are the charging times like for those? #rhrt: 04/29/10 23:57 that's for powersonic agms like these http://batterystore.com/Powersonic/PS12550.html and http://batterystore.com/Powersonic/PS12750.html #rhrt: 04/29/10 23:57 any chance of discount? #rhrt: 04/29/10 23:57 werker has no details on charging whatsoever :( #rhrt: 04/29/10 23:58 I'm looking into 30A chargers, but they're around 200 each :( #rhrt: 04/29/10 23:58 robominator: I haven't started asking around, that's pure website pricing #rhrt: 04/29/10 23:58 with an aerial proposal, we might be able to stand that #rhrt: 04/29/10 23:59 wahlnj: chargetime is 3.6/5 hrs depending on capacity #rhrt: 04/29/10 23:59 2x55 vs. 2x75 #rhrt: 04/29/10 23:59 The real kicker is the weight of the 75AH is 13 lbs more per cell #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:00 Can we support that? #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:00 that would be a good reason to pursue adding another two wheel suspension at the back #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:01 yeah, from what you were saying, it's hard to get moving as is #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:02 would we still have one battery for motors and one for electronics? #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:02 I've also looked over the 24V stuffs... I think that's going to be too big a pricejump for not quite enough rewards #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:02 wahlnj: we'd run them in parallel to reduce the load the motor battery was taking #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:03 we'd might want to use a seperated ground loop for the main electronics, but other than that it should be fine #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:03 would it be feasible to buy two of those new batteries, but only use one at a time with one of the existing batteries to avoid increasing weight too much? #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:03 and then use both new ones next year when we have four wheel drive? #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:04 the problem with that is the battery capacities won't match anymore... you don't want to parallel one used and one unused cell #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:04 what about not parallel? #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:04 ok, that's what I was wondering #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:05 you could very carefully swap them to make sure both were used equally though #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:05 that sounds nasty.. #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:05 robominator: I'd not recommend that... even the 75AH at that load level would last <30 min #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:05 hokey dokey #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:06 robominator: what do you think about an extra 26 lbs mostly on the caster? #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:07 the dual 55AH option only increases weight by about 8 lbs total, btw #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:07 wasn't robominator also saying something about breaking those gearboxes with too much strain? #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:07 or was that someone else? #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:08 umm, i've apparently seen that happen #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:08 i believe you mentioned the possibliity #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:08 aye, I did the other day #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:08 and wahlnj that would be pretty ballsy #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:09 gahhh, i wish we had time for the second drive assembly #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:10 I don't claim to be an ME, but I'll help if I can do something useful for that :/ #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:10 I think I've got the ideal diode thing finalized #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:11 robominator: we can get it done by the competition, probably significantly sooner #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:12 and if we don't we have a head start for next year #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:12 but i don't want to take the robot from tommost #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:12 that would be double plus ungood #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:12 build the whole assembly off the robot, we can install it in a day #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:13 it's still going to take some time to get the new cells in either way #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:13 and it not working at all might be bad #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:13 ZetaSyanthis: we won't have you next year? any advantage from you has to be exploited now? #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:14 I'm graduating, but I'll def. be staying in touch #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:14 wahlnj: lets do it #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:14 I really wish I'd jumped on sooner... should have listened to tommost and TBoneULS_lug :( #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:14 redoing drive this late is a bold move #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:14 i like it for that #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:14 robominator: I like it, order parts tomorrow? #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:15 this will also require two more motor controllers #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:15 are we using the new ones kleinjt got? #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:15 rthc.... #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:15 needs to program them #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:15 or something #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:15 you could, you've taken 230 or something #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:16 you can't see it, but my face is pretty damn horrified #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:16 if we're going to do that we should order two more very soon #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:17 prolly should #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:17 kleinjt: what would that even mean #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:17 i program robots in easyC #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:17 it is blocks and drop down menus #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:18 robominator, the motor controllers are preprogrammed. somebody just needs to write the software to send commands over a serial port #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:19 that's a python thing? O_O note that both are caps, i reserve that for special occasions #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:21 i happen to be qualified to sort an array.. #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:36 tommost, wahlnj: I swapped my work schedule, so I'll meet you in the lab at 12:30? Or do we not want to bother since 4 motors change that a whole bunch? #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:38 it'll still give us an idea of what it will take #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:38 saturday? #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:39 k, sounds good to me... it'd be nice to have the rough current demands I'm working with confirmed either way #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:39 we're meeting tomorrow to measure the torque required robominator1: 04/30/10 00:41 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/30/10 00:43 oh, have fun robominator: 04/30/10 00:44 >< QUIT : Ping timeout: 276 seconds robominator1: 04/30/10 01:04 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. #rhrt: 04/30/10 02:06 Wow... I missed a lot. #rhrt: 04/30/10 02:19 ZetaSyanthis happened #rhrt: 04/30/10 02:20 Indeed. #rhrt: 04/30/10 02:20 Well, my nap was highly necessary. tommost: 04/30/10 02:23 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost: 04/30/10 02:23 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/30/10 03:45 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! tommost: 04/30/10 04:40 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost: 04/30/10 07:03 >< QUIT : Quit: One, two! One, two! and through and through / The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! robominator: 04/30/10 09:01 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/30/10 09:16 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. robominator: 04/30/10 09:54 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/30/10 10:46 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/30/10 13:57 >< QUIT : Read error: Connection reset by peer wahlnj: 04/30/10 13:59 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/30/10 14:16 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/30/10 14:18 >< PART #rhrt: tommost_rhv: 04/30/10 14:18 >< JOIN : #rhrt #rhrt: 04/30/10 14:25 so it looks like a total system load of 40A continuous is what we're looking at from the measurements we just grabbed #rhrt: 04/30/10 14:26 meaning those 55AH cells on parallel will let us run for ~2 hours #rhrt: 04/30/10 14:26 That sounds pretty good. robominator: 04/30/10 15:41 >< JOIN : #rhrt robominator: 04/30/10 16:01 >< PART #rhrt: andy753421: 04/30/10 17:21 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. andy753421: 04/30/10 17:25 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 04/30/10 17:25 >< QUIT : Client Quit andy753421: 04/30/10 17:28 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_rhv: 04/30/10 17:54 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. tommost: 04/30/10 21:53 >< JOIN : #rhrt andy753421: 04/30/10 22:08 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. andy753421: 04/30/10 22:32 >< JOIN : #rhrt tommost_: 04/30/10 23:32 >< QUIT : Quit: Leaving. tommost_: 04/30/10 23:38 >< JOIN : #rhrt