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#rhrt: 07/02/10 03:29 <andy753421> hm, that doesn't really have anything to do with robotics..
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#rhrt: 07/21/10 10:58 <robominator> holy mother mary
#rhrt: 07/21/10 10:59 <robominator>   Hello Gentleman,  Jason Zielke at Precise Path Robotics may have a LIDAR to donate for your club. He is in need of some additional information regarding specifically what you are looking for. See copy from email below:
#rhrt: 07/21/10 10:59 <robominator> As for the LIDAR, we might be able to help through a loan or donation of hardware.
#rhrt: 07/21/10 10:59 <robominator> .  I would need to figure out the logistics of it internally, but we have a number of LMS-291 LIDAR's that are currently not being used nor do they have any expected usage in the future.
#rhrt: 07/21/10 11:00 <robominator>   Do you know specifically what the team is looking for?
#rhrt: 07/21/10 11:00 <robominator> kleinjt: TBoneULS: you around? they want a robotics club rep in indy, would either of you have a chance?
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#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:00 <wahlnj1> hello everyone and thanks for coming
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:00 <hulettbh> oo so professional
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:00 <wahlnj1> tommost_: do you know where robominator is?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:01 <wahlnj1> or maybe boysenberry or tommost_xp knows?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:03 <tommost_xp> He's on his way.
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#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:04 <wahlnj1> ok, great
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:04 <wahlnj1> so I figured we'd start off with a summary of the competition for those who didn't go
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:05 <tommost_xp> kleinjt_: You there?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:05 <wahlnj1> we got the robot moving under wiimote control
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:05 <wahlnj1> at the end we had some mechanical problems that we will address for next year
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:05 <tommost_xp> They look like they should be pretty easy to address.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:06 <wahlnj1> we also need to make some improvements to the kill switch system
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#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:06 <TBoneULS_2> though more work there is necessary.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:06 <wahlnj1> but overall the mechanical and electronics parts worked pretty well, so we are in good shape for the software team to be able to do a lot of testing next year
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:07 <tommost> Yup, it looks like things are in good shape for next year.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:07 <wahlnj1> anyone have anything to add about the competition?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:07 <tommost> Wi-fi tethering is awesome and makes it much less of a pain.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:08 <wahlnj1> very true
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:08 <tommost> We should bring a null modem cable next year.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:08 <TBoneULS_2> ya, i dont know what we would have done without that
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:08 <TBoneULS_2> we should design it so we don't need those.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:08 <robominator> we should always eat at TBoneULS's house
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:08 <tommost> I would like to bring one nonetheless.  It's not like we don't have any. :p'
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:08 <TBoneULS_2> true
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:08 <TBoneULS_2> we can probably eat there again next year
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:09 <wahlnj1> I agree, homemade beet
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:09 <wahlnj1> beer*
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:09 <wahlnj1> we also found out recently that Precise Path Robotics is interested in sponsoring us
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:09 <wahlnj1> so we asked them for a LIDAR
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:10 <wahlnj1> and it's looking good for us to get one
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:10 <robominator> 2
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:10 <robominator> ground plane and a parallel plane
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:10 <TBoneULS_2> yes, we will ask for several
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:10 <TBoneULS_2> kleinjt_ and i will be going
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:10 <wahlnj1> so what has been done so far with Precise Path and what do we still need to do?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:10 <TBoneULS_2> robominator: send me that email so i can respond
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:11 <robominator> i did 5 min ago
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:11 <TBoneULS_2> so you did
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:12 <tommost> I'm wondering what other guidance they could offer us, particularly with software.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:12 <wahlnj1> TBoneULS_2: when are you going?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:12 <robominator> would anyone else like a copy of that email?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:12 <TBoneULS_2> i dont know, i have to respond to them and figure out when works for them
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:13 <TBoneULS_2> im planning on sometime next week
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:13 <wahlnj1> that's the email I already have, right?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:13 <TBoneULS_2> if not then, then the next week
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:13 <robominator> yes
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:13 <TBoneULS_2> definetly
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:13 <robominator> i want to meet jason :(
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:13 <wahlnj1> ok, keep me up to date on what you find
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:13 <kleinjt_> er.. I'm here now
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:13 <TBoneULS_2> i will respond this evening
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:13 <wahlnj1> yeah, I'd like to go too
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:13 <tommost> Jason gave a talk at Ventures two summers past, IIRC.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:14 <TBoneULS_2> someone from precise path did
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:14 <wahlnj1> I'm debating driving to Indy
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:14 <TBoneULS_2> i think it would be best if kleinjt_ and i went first to meet them, then we can orgaize the rest of us meeting them, and figure out exactly what they can help with
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:14 <TBoneULS_2> thoughts?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:14 <wahlnj1> sounds good
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:14 <TBoneULS_2> k
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:14 <TBoneULS_2> that way we dont try to organize 5 people going at the same time
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:15 <wahlnj1> we first heard from the development office, have we been updating them on what is going on?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:15 <wahlnj1> will she be at this meeting as well?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:15 <robominator> this email is from them
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:15 <TBoneULS_2> i can cc them on the email
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:15 <TBoneULS_2> i assume not, it looks like she just got us in contact with them
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:16 <wahlnj1> TBoneULS_2: I think you should cc her on any emails
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:16 <wahlnj1> they like to know what happens after they find contacts for us
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:16 <TBoneULS_2> k i will do that
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:17 <TBoneULS_2> wait
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:17 <robominator> we don't have a way to respond besides through D office
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:17 <TBoneULS_2> ya
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:17 <TBoneULS_2> i could just email him directly
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:17 <TBoneULS_2> it makes not sense to go through the development office
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:18 <wahlnj1> do you have his email?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:18 <TBoneULS_2> i bet i could find it
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:18 <TBoneULS_2> let me se
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:18 <wahlnj1> I would go through the development office, at least initially
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:18 <TBoneULS_2> ya, i guess
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:18 <robominator> i vote stick with D office, at least for the next email,
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:18 <robominator> they've avoided giving us his email
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:18 <TBoneULS_2> y, why?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:18 <TBoneULS_2> that's annoying
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:19 <TBoneULS_2> its just another person to wait for this to go through
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:19 <TBoneULS_2> i can see wanting to be kept in the loop, and im fine with that
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:20 <wahlnj1> I would respond to the development office and give them your contact info to pass to Jason to arrange a time to meet
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:20 <TBoneULS_2> i guess that's the only option
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:21 <TBoneULS_2> that seems... unnecessary though
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:21 <TBoneULS_2> but apparently the way they want it
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:21 <wahlnj1> I'd go through a lot more hassle than that if it gets us a LIDAR
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:21 <TBoneULS_2> yes, but this is rose, and they typically do things the smart way
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:21 <TBoneULS_2> indeed, im assuming this will be easy
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:22 <robominator> whatevs, figure this later, move on with the agenda
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:22 <tommost> Yeah.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:22 <TBoneULS_2> okay, i will respond saying there are two of us that can go, and organize a time
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:22 <TBoneULS_2> indeed, we can move on
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:22 <wahlnj1> http://www.rose-hulman.edu/organizations/info/roboticsclub.htm
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:22 <wahlnj1> this is our page on the student affairs site
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:23 <tommost> Yes, I was composing a reply to that e-mail she sent out.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:23 <tommost> But I need a new block of text for that page.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:23 <tommost> 'cause that's clearly out of date.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:23 <wahlnj1> yeah, did you write that tommost?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:24 <wahlnj1> and are you going to write a new description or should I?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:24 <tommost> No, it was probably the president freshman year, or maybe andy7534211.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:24 <tommost> Feel free if you like.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:24 <tommost> I was going to try to compose one now.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:24 <wahlnj1> if you're working on it, go ahead
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:25 <wahlnj1> my only suggestion would be to completely remove the aerial stuff
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#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:25 <wahlnj1> no one interested in the club will care about what we did four years ago
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:26 <tommost> Yes, absolutely.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:26 <wahlnj1> tommost: please copy me when you send that email
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:26 <tommost> Yup.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:26 <wahlnj1> we have $281.50 in the budget this year for promotional stuff
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:27 <wahlnj1> do we want to spend that on shirts again?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:27 <wahlnj1> or at least most of it?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:27 <tommost> I'd like to get a poster for the fair, and post it outside our room.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:27 <wahlnj1> I agree
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:27 <wahlnj1> that costs $12
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:28 <wahlnj1> to have it printed in Myers
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:28 <tommost> Yeah.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:28 <wahlnj1> other thoughts on shirts?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:28 <tommost> TBoneULS_2: Also, please ask Precise Path about stickers with their logo to put on the robot.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:28 <tommost> Shirts are good.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:28 <tommost> Polos?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:28 <TBoneULS_2> will do
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:28 <TBoneULS_2> polos++
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:29 <wahlnj1> I was thinking polos if we can afford them
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:29 <wahlnj1> and get them by the activities fair
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:29 <tommost> Really?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:29 <tommost> Doesn't everyone who will be at the fair already have a t-shirt?
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#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:29 <wahlnj1> yeah, but polos look nicer
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:30 <tommost> I'd rather wait until the middle of the year, like last year. That worked well.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:30 <tommost> The year we got them before the start of the year a bunch of people ended up with shirts but didn't participate much.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:31 <wahlnj1> I was going to suggest either ordering two batches, one now and one a couple months into the year
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:31 <kleinjt_> I
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:31 <wahlnj1> or ordering a bunch of extras and giving them out part way through the year
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:31 <kleinjt_> er.. I'd rather just get one late in the year for people who are still around, including whatever freshmen.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:31 <TBoneULS_2> ya, i think that would work
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:32 <TBoneULS_2> we do have something we can wear for the activities fair
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:32 <wahlnj1> no matter when we order them, we're going to have problems
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:33 <wahlnj1> this year three people got shirts and didn't come to another meeting
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:33 <tommost> Yeah.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:33 <wahlnj1> and two were very active participants after we got the shirts
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:33 <wahlnj1> that's 1/3 of the shirts we ordered
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:33 <tommost> Yeah.  We should keep a few in reserve.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:34 <wahlnj1> I guess we can wait, but I'd like to get them sooner rather than later so we have more time to wear them
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:34 <tommost> I don't think there's any way to completely avoid that sort of thing happening, but getting them before the year started was far worse.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:34 <tommost> Ah, so plan on the beginning of winter quarter?
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#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:34 <wahlnj1> sometime around then
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:35 <TBoneULS_2> sure
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:35 <tommost> Okay then.  Next item?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:36 <wahlnj1> we have money for several things that I think we can get now so they are ready to go when we get to campus
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:36 <tommost> That's a good idea.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:36 <tommost> Is there a list?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:36 <wahlnj1> particularly the vex kit
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:36 <wahlnj1> I can send you the budget if you don't have it
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:36 <TBoneULS_2> i thought we were goign to have a meeting to determine interest and if we want to do that competition?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:36 <TBoneULS_2> or has that plan changed
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:37 <tommost> I thought we were pretty firmly in favor of doing the IGVC again.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:37 <tommost> But I wasn't so sure about VEX.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:37 <wahlnj1> this is in addition to IGVC
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:37 <TBoneULS_2> exactly
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:37 <wahlnj1> we have the money, so I think we should at least get the kit
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:37 <TBoneULS_2> yes, but i thought we were going to discuss if vex was the appropriate second competition
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:38 <wahlnj1> we may not go to the competition this year
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:38 <TBoneULS_2> how much is the kit?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:38 <wahlnj1> $550
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:38 <wahlnj1> robominator: comments?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:38 <TBoneULS_2> are there really any similar competitions, or is that basically the only option?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:38 <tommost> On, and push one issue onto the queue before I forget: GPS accuracy.
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#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:39 <tommost> I was wondering if the hardware team wanted to start building a lawnmower or something instead.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:39 <robominator> wahlnj1: i don't see other options for a low level comp
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:39 <wahlnj1> we thought Vex would be a good recruiting tool and good for the mechanical team to work on
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:40 <robominator> yes, and nothing else fits that as well
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:40 <kleinjt_> we could hold a micromouse competition, that would be small scale and cheap..
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:40 <tommost> Micromouse?  Mini-sumo?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:40 <kleinjt_> micromouse may have more interesting software, since it involves navigating mazes
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:40 <robominator> we'd have to organize then
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:40 <wahlnj1> I wouldn't mind working on a lawnmower, but that wouldn't help recruiting much
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#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:41 <tommost> Well, what is the pitch for VEX?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:41 <wahlnj1> kleinjt_: is that like a small project that people would work on individually?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:41 <robominator> path planning is hard kleinjt_
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:41 <kleinjt_> individually or small groups or not at all
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:42 <wahlnj1> it would be a project that people without robotics experience could work on as a team to gain experience for the IGVC (or lawnmower at some point)
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:42 <tommost> That's a neat idea.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:42 <kleinjt_> robominator: there have been micromouse competitions since the 70's, there has been a fair amount of research done.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:43 <wahlnj1> it would also be something for the mechanically inclined people to work on this year since there won't be much on the current platform to do
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:43 <TBoneULS_2> okay, it seems to me like there are some options here.  prehaps we should discuss at the first meeting?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:43 <tommost> How long will the VEX kit take to arrive?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:43 <kleinjt_> please
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:43 <tommost> Are we going to loose too much time if we wait?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:44 <wahlnj1> I brought it up because if we got the vex kit now we could have it at the activities fair to demonstrate
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:44 <tommost> I think that the interest of the people who will actually be working on this stuff is most important.
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#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:44 <tommost> We have several things to demonstrate already... Moxom's Master, the NI bot, my sumo bot.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:45 <wahlnj1> but none of those are going to change much
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:45 <wahlnj1> vex would show something that people could actually work on from the ground up
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:46 <wahlnj1> that was one thing that was attractive to me as a freshman about the robotics team
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:46 <tommost> I think that the goal of a demonstration is to show that we do stuff and that it looks cool.  People aren't going to play with the VEX kit at the fair.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:46 <robominator> i would
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:46 <kleinjt_> what are the other topics on the agenda?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:47 <wahlnj1> unlike the other clubs, robotics was starting from scratch so I knew I would actually have a chance to do something cool in four years
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:47 <tommost> Well, is it worth tying up $550 to demonstrate that?  Or should we say, "we're planning on picking up another something, and you can help us choose what."
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:48 <robominator> tommost: i like the sound of that, but nothing beats pieces in your hand
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:48 <wahlnj1> the activities fair is the only thing left on my agenda, plus gps accuracy
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:48 <hulettbh> I dont think just saying were gonna do something is the same as having something physical
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:48 <TBoneULS_2> i agree, but i think its important that the people on that team have a say in the project
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:49 <tommost> We can say, we have $550 to do something.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:50 <wahlnj1> if we do something different, it will be at least a quarter by the time we decide, get SGA to reallocate funds, and order parts
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:50 <robominator> might as well tell them they can influence later project choices
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:50 <robominator> but stick with this decision now
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:51 <wahlnj1> I agree
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:51 <robominator> it doesn't hurt us to have a cool kit, even for prototyping
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:51 <tommost> Okay, then who's going to order it?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:51 <wahlnj1> if we let freshman choose at the first couple meetings, they might not stick with the club
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:51 <robominator> 
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#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:51 <wahlnj1> I will
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:52 <tommost> Are we all okay with ordering it, then?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:52 <wahlnj1> robominator: can you give me a link to exactly what I need to order?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:52 <TBoneULS_2> i suppose
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:52 <wahlnj1> if someone knows of another option that might be better, let us know
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:53 <wahlnj1> but this seems like a good complement to the IGVC
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:53 <TBoneULS_2> k, gps accuracy
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:53 <TBoneULS_2> i have to get going, so lets start that discussion if we can
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:54 <tommost> Okay, so I'm worried that our GPS is not accurate enough.  Very worried.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:54 <TBoneULS_2> what do other teams use?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:54 <tommost> Much more expensive GPSes.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:54 <TBoneULS_2> have you seen anyone with one like ours? or with the accuracy of ours?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:54 <wahlnj1> how expensive?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:55 <robominator> wahlnj1: http://www.vexrobotics.com/dual-control-starter-bundle.html
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:55 <robominator> we need to make choices
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:55 <wahlnj1> robominator: you and I can discuss that later
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:56 <robominator> tommost: is checking design reports
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:56 <kleinjt_> (it looks like college teams for vex build two robots: http://content.vexrobotics.com/docs/vex-round-up/VEX-Round-Up-Appendix-F-VRC-College-Challenge.pdf)
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:57 <robominator> yes, we've already said we're not purchasing enough to compete
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:57 <tommost> One team uses this: http://www.novatel.com/products/gnss-receivers/enclosures/propak-v3/
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:58 <tommost> Can someone find a price on that?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 18:59 <wahlnj1> if it doesn't cost more than a LIDAR, we can probably buy one
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:00 <TBoneULS_2> i probably doesn
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:00 <TBoneULS_2> t
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:00 <TBoneULS_2> if we need a better gps, lets try to buy one or get a cheaper/donated one
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:00 <wahlnj1> we have some other potential sponsorship opportunities, plus that aerial fund that we can ask for money from
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:00 <TBoneULS_2> ya, i think we can do it
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:00 <TBoneULS_2> if we need it
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:00 <wahlnj1> and try to get discounts/donations
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:00 <tommost> Yeah, I suspect that we will find we need this.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:00 <tommost> But we can try using the current one.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:00 <TBoneULS_2> so lets see what other teams have, and go from there
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:01 <wahlnj1> tommost: I say let's go ahead and get one
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:01 <wahlnj1> can you get me some model numbers?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:01 <TBoneULS_2> okay, i have to run, but i will look at the log later and see about the gps stuff
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:01 <TBoneULS_2> i can help research them if necessary, just not right now
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:01 <kleinjt_> it loos like it is very expensive: http://web.mit.edu/riverrat/docs/gps/novatelpricelist.pdf
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:02 <TBoneULS_2> woah
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:02 <tommost> Yeah, exactly.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:02 <TBoneULS_2> well, lets look at options and see what we can do
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:03 <TBoneULS_2> i suspect we will need a better one
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:03 <kleinjt_> okay. anything else?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:03 <wahlnj1> if you guys can get me a few models from a few manufacturers, I will see if we can get one
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:03 <TBoneULS_2> k
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:03 <wahlnj1> I think that's everything
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:03 <tommost> Yeah, I'm done.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:04 <TBoneULS_2> k, cool ill look into gps stuff when i have a chance
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#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:04 <tommost> Oh, I should clarify that it's possible to do the autonomous challenge with our current GPS, but I don't think the navigation challenge is possible, at least competitively.
#rhrt: 07/22/10 19:05 <tommost> The rule that disallows us from doing our own differential corrections is really annoying and arbitrary, I feel.
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#rhrt: 07/22/10 21:28 <TBoneULS> well how would we even do that on our own?
#rhrt: 07/22/10 21:41 <tommost> The NovAtel GPS cards we already have can do it.
#rhrt: 07/23/10 01:37 <TBoneULS> http://failblog.org/2010/07/22/epic-fail-photo-er-fail/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+failblog+(The+FAIL+Blog+-+Fail+Pictures+%26+Videos+at+Failblog.ORG)
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#rhrt: 07/24/10 14:28 <roshini> Any one here knows about self organization in robotics or natural gradient by amari
#rhrt: 07/24/10 15:28 <andy753421> roshini: probably not very much, but there might be a few people interested in talking about it
#rhrt: 07/24/10 15:28 <andy753421> out of curiosity, what lead you to #rhrt?
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#rhrt: 07/24/10 21:14 <O8milluz> anyone have the minutes from the last meeting?
#rhrt: 07/24/10 21:14 <tommost> The IRC one the other day?
#rhrt: 07/24/10 21:15 <O8milluz> yeah
#rhrt: 07/24/10 21:15 <O8milluz> anything big happen?
#rhrt: 07/24/10 21:17 <tommost> We discussed various things.  You can find it in the logs.
#rhrt: 07/24/10 21:17 <O8milluz> they are not on the website
#rhrt: 07/24/10 21:19 <O8milluz> i am looking at the logs
#rhrt: 07/24/10 21:19 <tommost> http://rhitrobotics.org/media/irc/
#rhrt: 07/24/10 21:20 <O8milluz> yeah the logs were cashed
#rhrt: 07/24/10 21:20 <O8milluz> i needed to refresh
#rhrt: 07/24/10 23:23 <tommost> I have updated the battery monitor page to reflect what we talked about at the IGVC: https://rhitrobotics.org/wiki/igvc/battery-monitor
#rhrt: 07/24/10 23:24 <tommost> I'm currently going over the wiki pages to remove/mark obsolete old things.
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#rhrt: 07/26/10 19:23 <wahlnj> I forgot to mention this at the meeting, but we have been asked if we will go to local schools this year as part of an after-school program and talk to kids
#rhrt: 07/26/10 19:23 <wahlnj> we can commit to as little as one visit or as many as once a month
#rhrt: 07/26/10 19:23 <wahlnj> would anyone be willing to go with me?
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#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:31 <robominator> i'm in
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:32 <wahlnj> how many events should I volunteer for?
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:32 <wahlnj> I was thinking maybe three, one each quarter
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:44 <robominator> i like volunteering
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:44 <robominator> you should make them turn into circle K hours
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:44 <wahlnj> I think they will
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:44 <robominator> that would boost participant pool
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:44 <wahlnj> true, there is a lot of overlap between the two groups
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:44 <wahlnj> and my friends
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:45 <robominator> and people named cam and ryan
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:45 <wahlnj> assuming they do count for Circle K, how many would you want to do?
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:45 <robominator> how many hours does circle k need?
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:46 <wahlnj> 750 for the club this year I think
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:46 <robominator> ahhh per what?
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:47 <wahlnj> hours per club per year
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:47 <robominator> and how many of those are mine? assuming i'm a member of circle k
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:48 <wahlnj> don't worry about that, can we get people to come once a month?
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:48 <wahlnj> I'd like at least one person with a vehicle that can hold a robot to come with me each time
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:49 <robominator> i will do once a month
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:49 <wahlnj> ok, then I'm going to commit to that
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:50 <robominator> who are we commiting this too?
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:51 <wahlnj> the   School Age Child Care Director for Terre Haute schools
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:52 <robominator> who gave them your email?
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:52 <wahlnj> it sounds like we'd be going to low income schools
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:52 <wahlnj> I'd guess the Rose student affairs office
#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:52 <robominator> 
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#rhrt: 07/26/10 20:52 <wahlnj> it went to the presidents of all the engineering clubs
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#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:20 <TBoneULS> we have a date to meet percise path
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:21 <TBoneULS> the 19th, i believe
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:21 <wahlnj> I will be in Terre Haute then
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:22 <TBoneULS> want to come?
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:22 <wahlnj> and I don't think I have anything to do that day
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:22 <wahlnj> I'd love to
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:22 <TBoneULS> we will be meeting at 4pm
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:22 <TBoneULS> let me verify that
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:22 <TBoneULS> ill forward you the email
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:22 <wahlnj> I'd appreciate that
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:22 <TBoneULS> i still have to respond to her
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:23 <TBoneULS> so apparently its the 17th
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:24 <TBoneULS> basically, afther this whole back and forth email where she shows that she has no availabily whatsover and then told me days taht she said were free weren't, i said just pick a time, we will be there
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:25 <TBoneULS> then she says okay, here's a time, oh btw have you met this guy?
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:25 <TBoneULS> no, i wouldn't be sceduling you to be there if i had any choice in the matter
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:26 <TBoneULS> anyway
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:26 <TBoneULS> wahlnj: you may get two of them, just in  case
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:26 <wahlnj> emails?
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:26 <TBoneULS> \yes
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:27 <TBoneULS> my laptop failed a bit
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:27 <TBoneULS> i think its the internet connection im using
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:27 <wahlnj> oh yeah, I did
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:27 <wahlnj> we are meeting him at Precise Path in Indy, right?
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:27 <TBoneULS> so can you make it on the 17th?
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:27 <TBoneULS> yes
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:27 <wahlnj> yeah, I'll just leave earlier
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:28 <TBoneULS> okay so i will mention that you will be there as well
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:28 <wahlnj> we should bring some photos and whatnot to show him
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:32 <tommost_xp> I have uploaded most (all?) of my photos to the server.
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:32 <tommost_xp> Samba is broken at the moment, and I can't really diagnose it from off campus, so you'll need to use SecureFX to upload to the server yourselves.
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:40 <TBoneULS> ewwww... securefx
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:40 <TBoneULS> i hate that program
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:44 <tommost_xp> Well, some sftp program.
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:46 <TBoneULS> winscp
#rhrt: 07/28/10 18:46 <TBoneULS> i just recall opening that program one day, and then wanting to stab my eyes out
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#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:30 <jboticsource> how did you guys do at the igvc this year?
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:31 <jboticsource> tommost?
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:31 <tommost> We didn't try to compete, so the question doesn't have much meaning.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:32 <tommost> We had a massive electrical failure a month before the competition, and were happy to manage to get the robot's electrical system rebuilt in time for it.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:33 <jboticsource> did you physically attend?
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:33 <tommost> Yeah, and drove the robot around, too.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:33 <jboticsource> what failed electrically?
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:33 <jboticsource> just curous
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:33 <tommost> The batteries died a sad, sad death.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:33 <jboticsource> ouch
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:33 <tommost> Yeah...
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:34 <jboticsource> do you think you can qualify next year?
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:34 <tommost> It's a much better system now; we won't be messing with the hardware next year in any significant manner.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:34 <tommost> I certainly hope so.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:34 <jboticsource> cool
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:34 <tommost> I believe so, yes.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:36 <jboticsource> why do you think the batteries died?
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:36 <jboticsource> was it a problem with the charger?
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:36 <tommost> Yes, the first few chargers we had did really bad things to them.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:37 <jboticsource> how many people are actively participating these days?
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:37 <tommost> And then the defaults on the new chargers were wrong, so when they lost power they did terrible things to them when power returned.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:37 <jboticsource> scary
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:38 <tommost> Plus they don't like being run down to 8V, which is easy to do when their capacity decreases to ~30 minutes and you don't have any proper monitoring equipment.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:38 <jboticsource> ahh
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:38 <jboticsource> thats a killer as well
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:38 <tommost> Using separate batteries for the electronics and motors also contributed, since they wore down unevenly.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:38 <jboticsource> i didnt realize it was that thirsty
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:39 <tommost> The new batteries and charging system are pretty epic, though.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:39 <tommost> We should get several hours of runtime.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:39 <jboticsource> thats awesome
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:39 <jboticsource> are they werkers?
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:39 <tommost> No, PowerSonic IIRC.
#rhrt: 07/30/10 00:39 <tommost> Werkers are terrible, apparently.
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